--- In "Yan Seiner" <> wrote:
> Read the source. The scripts are there. It's not a binary blob; the
> source *is* the documentation.
I understand that I can read hundreds of thousands of lines of C,
shell script, perl and what-all-else to determine what is in TS-Linux.
I foolishly expected that TS would keep notes or otherwise document
what they did to build TS-Linux. If they did then they just don't
want to release that info.
> > Documentation extra/special commands/scripts added (or at
> > lest a list of them and what they're for)?
>
> OK, that's reasonable. There is a lot left undocumented. But I find
> that with my Debian server installation. And don't even get me
> started on what passes for docs in the Windows world.
No one is talking about Windows, but we're obvious both choosing
examples from the end of the spectrum that supports our claims. There
are great and horrible open source packages of all kinds. I'm just
hoping to find TS beyond the 50% mark on the from from horrible to
greatness. If they'd included the fact that 10 years of linux
experience (in application, cross-compile and kernel development) was
needed to truly use their product, I'd have approached it differently.
> Dan Kegel's crosstools - again, really standard in the embedded world.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! That is EXACTLY the answer to the questions I've
been asking about the cross-compile environment since I first received
the TS-7250! A mention of this little fact in the README.txt in the
crosstools directory would have eliminated ALL of my questions about
the cross-compiler (and likely all the rest, except perhaps things
about the TS-7KV that TS has, as yet, been unable to answer).
(I just checked and, even if I knew to search for it, the string
"kegel" does not appear in any file anywhere in the cross-compile kits
from TS. I checked in
crosstool-linux-gcc-3.3.4-glibc-2.3.2-0.28rc39.tar.bz2 (which I think
/might/ be "the crosstool 0.28 tarball" mentioned in the README, but
cannot be sure, since the name in the README doesn't match *any* of
the files available, quite, but perhaps this is a reference to a
fileset from Mr Kegel's web site, who can tell from TS's README?) and
also in crosstool-linux-gcc-4.0.1-glibc-2.3.5.tar.bz2)
> They cannot (and should not, IMHO) provide support for software for
> free
I completely agree
> Otherwise, you want support for Busybox, visit the busybox project,
> and so on.
If I had found a list of the appropriate packages, I would certainly
have started there. So far, all of my questions about been about
A) installing/using the cross-compiler
B) working with the TS-7KV
1) using ncurses (which was answered, sorta)
2) obtaining/building a Qt/E build environment (I'll probably
be able to do that with the cross-compiler, now)
3) why doesn't it allow use of all 60 lines of text? (It only
seems to support the top 40 of an 80x60 display for either
the console or ncurses.) TS didn't know when we asked, and
then they asked us to provide them with sample code to test
the issue...
> TS has the best customer support for programmers right here in this
> users' group. This group was one of the main reasons we went with TS.
I, too, like this group, and I'm sorry if I've upset anyone. But if
anyone else had shared some of our conversations with TS, they'd
understand. One example: we were asking if TS had the necessary
BINARIES for Qt/E development (like qmake and whatever else might be
needed). We asked three times, with slightly different phrasing each
time (trying to make ourselves understood). The first two times we
were told to download and use the qt-...-compiled-compact package from
the TS ftp site for the on board TS-Linux and the qt-...-compiled-full
package for the development image on the USB drive. The third time,
the answer changed to, "Oh, no. Those are runtime only, to get the
build binaries you need to download the source and build it yourself."
This type of exchange has been typical for us.
I'm going to shut and go away for at least as long as it takes to read
the HOWTO (and any other docs) for Dan Kegel's crosstools, then to get
the package from TS up and running on my system.
My last word is that I wish it didn't take three weeks to find out
where the documentation was located.
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