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Re: [ts-7000] inexpensive thermocouple

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Subject: Re: [ts-7000] inexpensive thermocouple
From: David Hawkins <>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:08:56 -0700
> Yan Seiner wrote:
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for a cheap thermocouple?
>>
>> I am looking for something that can be put into a small animal
>> environment (cage or tank) so it has to be low voltage and visually
>> unobtrusive; ideally something like the stick-on strain gauges that I
>> can run DC voltage through, and stick on to some out-of-sight portion
>> of the tank.
>>
>> My plan is to run it into the A/D on one of these boards, and control
>> heaters based on the input.
>>
>> I'm coming up dry with Google; I don't need/want a large, industrial
>> unit. I need something a homeowner/pet owner wouldn't notice.
>>
>> --Yan

Hi Yan,

So you've had a few suggestions. Made any decisions yet?

Here's a few more comments to help:

1. 1-Wire temperature sensor
    * DS18B20 in TO-92 (or other packages)
    * requires a bit-banged 1-Wire interface
      (which is pretty simple)
    * I've got VHDL that automates the interface
      (you're welcome to it)

2. VBE band-gap references
    * either fully digital versions, eg. the LMxxx series
      from National Semiconductor, or the ADMxxx series
      from Analog devices. These chips generate 10uA and
      100uA current sources and drive them into a
      diode-connected transistor, measure the voltage,
      and convert the results to a digitizer temperature
      reading. I use the ADM1031 to measure FPGA diodes.
      Maxim has a multi-channel ADC with a built in
      diode-conditioning circuit.
    * analog versions, eg. use a 1mA current source
      and measure the voltage on the diode-connected
      transistor. For example, use an LM4041 band-gap
      reference

      http://cache.national.com/ds/LM/LM4041.pdf

      and an op-amp to create the 1mA current source,
      and another op-amp to generate offset and gain.
      The signal conditioning circuit can be on your
      ADC board, while the sensor is just a TO-92
      transistor. I have a circuit to do this for
      a diode in a 1GHz digitizer and for measuring
      a thermal resistor in a PowerPC.

3. Commercial temperature probe.
    * a Radio Shack sensor was suggested by a previous
      poster

The sensor to choose depends, in part, on whether you
are using one or more of these sensors. The 1-Wire
devices are annoying in that respect; its hard
to identify the physical device location from the
chip alone. The I2C VBE devices are nicer in that
respect, and if your micro already has I2C, then
its a lot simpler to interface to.

As far as sensor size goes; they're both the same,
i.e., a 1-Wire in TO-92 or a diode-connected transitor
in TO-92.

So it pretty much comes down to how much work you
need to do at the board-end of things.

Cheers,
Dave


 
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