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Re: Keeping cues, marks when transferring files

Subject: Re: Keeping cues, marks when transferring files
From: umashanks
Date: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:19 pm ((PST))
In audition 1.5, when using save as, there is a tick box saying save non au=
dio information. It must be ticked.

umashankar

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From: D Secomb  [naturerecordists]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:36 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Keeping cues, marks when transferring file=
s




I'm using Audition 1.5.=A0=A0
I have tried a couple of software that Grant suggested. I couldn't find the=
 marks using Wave Agent but BWF Metadata showed that there were cues on fil=
es which were copied from the original but not with those that were edited =
then saved or save as. The same appears to happen with the date and informa=
tion of a recording. That information is there as long one uses copy and sa=
ve but do anything else its lost.
David=A0

On 15/01/2017 5:51 AM, Peter Shute  [naturerecordists] wro=
te:
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What software are you using to edit the files, David? The marks are encoded=
 into the wav files by the recorder using a format that only some software =
can interpret. Audacity, for example, simply ignores them (or did last time=
 I tried), and when you open the files, there are no marks.

The software you're using can obviously read them, but it sounds like it ig=
nores them when doing "save as". In order to save them, you will need to be=
 saving in a format that supports them, and there might be an option to ena=
ble saving them.

I have come across methods Audacity users have used to convert them into Au=
dacity "label tracks", which Audacity can reliably work with, so you might =
need to do something similar. Note that if I was to do that with Audacity, =
they'd be reliably retained so long as I was saving in the native Audacity =
format, but if I was to "save as" wav format, the resulting wav file would =
contain no trace of them.

Peter Shute

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On 14 Jan 2017, at 6:35 pm, D Secomb <=
otalk.net.au> [naturerecordists] <<n=
>> wrote:



I would love so to have it all in 1 place. Yes having a backup would do it =
but finding, digging it out could time consuming and if there are several t=
o be found. Having it in the edited version would be preferred.

David

On 14/01/2017 2:20 PM, vickipowys <vickipow=
> [naturerecordists] wrote:


Easy. Never work on your original file and never work on your backups. Make=
 a copy of the wanted file and work on that :-)

Vicki


On 14/01/2017, at 4:31 PM, D Secomb <=
talk.net.au> [naturerecordists] wrote: f


Have I got this right. When dealing with metadata which includes cues/ mark=
s, they kept if the file is copied or cut to another location but if any ed=
iting is done to that file, then saved, cues are lost. Is there any way to =
get around this.

David

On 13/0 1/2017 4:31 PM, D Secomb <=
k.net.au> [naturerecordists] wrote:
Hi Vicki

Thank you for the reply. I have played around a little more playing around =
and found that my facts wasn't exactly right. The cue's does remain when co=
py and cut. They do not show up when I save as which I use a lot when editi=
ng and filing my recordings. Down loaded Wave Agent, had a play with it and=
 can not find the cue information. Maybe its not a Sou nd Device recorder.=


Thank you again

David

On 12/01/2017 6:01 AM, vickipowys <vickipow=
> [naturerecordists] wrote:


I am mystified David. You would think that whatever info got as far
as your computer, could then be copied exactly from your computer to
your backup drive. Perhaps the info is still there as metadata? Have
you tried Wave Agent? Others in this group have more knowledge than I
do for t hese sorts of things.

Vicki

On 11/01/2017, at 9:42 AM, D Secomb <=
talk.net.au>
[naturerecordists] wrote:

> Hi All
> Some time ago I got a Sony PCM M10. 1 feature I have used is the
> adding
> marks or cues of some thing of interest during the recording.
> Recently I
> have noticed those marks/cues are still there when the files are
> transferred to the computer but lost if they copied to another
> location
> such as backup drive. As yet I haven't found a solution. Has any one
> got
> any suggestions
> Many thank s.
> David
>



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