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Re: Types of noise in recordings

Subject: Re: Types of noise in recordings
From: stolmstead
Date: Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:21 am ((PDT))
Hi Paul,=0D
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Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment! Yes, I use the MZW66 P=
ro foam windscreen http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=3D&amp=
;sku=3D73117&gclid=3DCIrYv7yGqM0CFZFcfgodtCkEUA&Q=3D&ap=3Dy&amp=
;m=3DY&c3api=3D1876%2C91438732682%2C&is=3DREG&A=3Ddetails. Howe=
ver, it seems like the wind noise I'm getting lately is worse than it used =
to be. Is that possible? Can these types of  windscreens become less effect=
ive over time?=0D
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My shock mount is the Rode PG2 pistol grip http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/=
controller/home?O=3D&sku=3D577183&gclid=3DCLmm3JCHqM0CFZNgfgod700LW=
A&is=3DREG&ap=3Dy&m=3DY&c3api=3D1876%2C103820129762%2C&=
Q=3D&A=3Ddetails; the problem is the handle is fairly heavy. I like to =
carry my mic on my belt in a Porta Brace holster, and when I have the PG2 a=
ttached, if the mic is in the holster it just flops over because the grip i=
s too heavy. As a result I became discouraged from using it. Design flaw? A=
re most shock mounts lighter?=0D
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Can you recommend any specific shock mounts for the ME-66? (Less expensive =
is better! Weight is also a consideration.)=0D
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In the meantime I will try taping the XLR connection and making some record=
ings with gloves to see if it makes a difference.=0D
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Thanks again,=0D
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Scott=0D
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 Hi Scott,=0D
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 Are you using any kind of windshield?  A lot of that sounds like air movem=
ent to me. It is quite amazing how little air is needed to cause a rumble, =
especially when it=92s end on to a shotgun, such as when walking forward as=
 you are.  If you want something smaller than a Rycote, you could make your=
 own from open cell foam.=0D
  =0D
 I=92m not really sure why you would choose not to use a shock mount, as yo=
u can get some really neat compact ones that are essentially PVC pipe with =
elastic bands that you can hand hold just like you do the bare microphone. =
 Something like a Rycote InVision with a handle would be small and cheap al=
so.  If you absolutely can=92t use any kind of suspension, try some gloves.=
  I like good quality fingerless cycling gloves as they are quiet on the bo=
om and I can still adjust my mixer easily.  I have heard golf gloves work b=
ut haven=92t tried it myself.  Your skin is naturally tacky so it grips and=
 slips on the mic body and causes noise, it=92s virtually impossible to sto=
p that happening without gloves.  If you sit in a quiet room and put your f=
ingers on your ear like an FBI agent, you will soon hear it and sometimes e=
ven clunks from the tendons or something in your fingers.=0D
  =0D
 Finally, wrap some electrical tape very tightly around the XLR connector a=
nd the mic body to reduce any tiny movements of the connector.=0D
  =0D
 -Paul=0D
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From:  =
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Sent: 09 June 2016 01:12=0D
To: =0D
Subject: [Nature Recordists] Types of noise in recordings=0D
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  =0D
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 Hi all,=0D
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I'm getting back into recording after some time off and my recordings latel=
y seem more noisy than I remember them being years ago. I'm hoping someone =
here may be able to help me identify some handling-type noise in my recordi=
ngs. =0D
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I recognize that technique has a big impact on minimizing handling noise, b=
ut I'm very curious if the noise can be identified to the cable, mic jack, =
or actually just hand contact on microphone. (I do not often use a shock mo=
unt.) Knowing the source of undesirable sounds would help me adjust my tech=
nique, which I'm afraid may have become sloppy.=0D
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For an example recording, please listen to the Hutton's Vireo on this page:=
 http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S27883487 http://ebird.org/ebird/vie=
w/checklist/S27883487.=0D
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I will try to describe the different sounds I hear:=0D
- variety of fumbling sounds as I aimed the microphone 0:00-0:03,=0D
- more isolated "rumbling" 0:08-0:10    ,=0D
- "groaning" 0:29-0:30    =0D
- more "groaning" 0:38-0:40=0D
- some "knocking" or "rattling" as I walked closer to the subject bird 0:47=
-0:51=0D
- more "groaning" or "rumbling" 1:15-1:21=0D
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Is it possible to identify the sources/causes of these different sounds?=0D
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There's also a band of low frequency sound throughout the recording, about =
600 hz and lower. What is that? There were no vehicles nearby...=0D
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I know my microphone (Sennheiser ME-66) is a good one as far as shotguns go=
. I'm not sure how my recorder (Roland Edirol R-09) compares to some of the=
 others that have recently been recommended here, such as Sony PCM M-10 and=
 Olympus LS series. Any thoughts are welcome.=0D
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Thanks for any insight and help!=0D
=0D
Scott Olmstead=0D
Tucson, AZ=0D
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