The Edutige does in fact do nothing more than amplifying the iphone's sound=
. This does increase my students' ability to identify unknowns, but post-pr=
ocessing, e.g., through Audacity, is probably at least as helpful.
My apologies for being dense here (ever since I lost hearing in one ear I'v=
e 'focused' almost entirely on the visual rather than the audio in the fiel=
d), but if I splurged on the Sennheiser ME66 (and the K6 too, I presume?), =
could I use the iRig Pre to connect it to my iPhone? I realize that might b=
e overkill, but for now that would clean my budget out, and I could then st=
art saving up for a proper recorder.
Cheers,
Alan
--- In vickipowys <> wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> The Edutige mic looks intriguing. I had a listen to a sample
> recording but it seems to me that the hiss-noise increases along with =
> the stronger signal from the mic, so it is not doing much more than
> amplifying the sound you are already getting from the iPhone. All
> the same, such gadgets can be useful to documenting wildlife sounds
> if nothing else is available. You would probably find the windshield =
> is inadequate, but better than nothing.
>
> If you want to use a larger better quality mic you have to consider
> handling noise and most likely you would need a handle and shock-
> mount for it, and a decent wind cover such as one of the 'softie'
> types. By the time you have all of that (e.g. Sennheiser ME66 gun
> mic is a great field mic for species recording), then you might as
> well go with a purpose-built recorder such as Sony or Olympus or
> whatever (lots of references on this list), and you can then set the
> recording sample rate to 96 K which will be useful for insect
> recordings.
>
> Meanwhile, you can probably do quite a lot with the iPhone and it
> would be no worse than the equipment that many of us started out with =
> e.g. hissy cassette recorders and tie-pin microphones.
>
> good luck!
>
> Vicki
>
>
> On 26/11/2012, at 9:06 AM, symmerista wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I'm intrigued by the iRig Pre. For my field biology class I bought
> > a $30 Edutige EIM-001 i-Microphone for my iPhone, and it definitely =
> > made sounds somewhat louder, which helped for our main purposes of
> > recording unknown animals for later identification. The Edutige
> > also worked with most of my students' various Android phones,
> > though it's not marketed as such. Any chance that the iRig likewise =
> > has unadvertised Android compatibility?
> >
> > My main question, however, is what microphone would be a good,
> > inexpensive choice to connect to an iphone/iRig setup. My
> > objectives, for now, are not to produce "publication quality"
> > sounds, but to capture good-quality sounds of birds, singing
> > insects, frogs and toads for documentation and identification
> > purposes. Portability is important, as I also lug around a fair bit =
> > of camera equipment. I've looked at the specs of many different
> > mikes, but after a while my head starts spinning as I don't know
> > nearly enough to decide which pros and cons are most relevant!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I did further testing last night, and decided to take another
> >> approach this morning. Instead of starting from low level (2 or 3) =
> >> on the LS-10, I set iRig to minimum and maxed Olympus to 10. I
> >> then slowly increased gain while studying the signal level on the
> >> Olympus. I then compared recordings using spectogram view on
> >> Audition. Although not particularly scientific, I'm of the opinion =
> >> that this method produces quieter results. I need to re-do the
> >> last test tonight to confirm my opinion. I would really love for
> >> one of our techy sound specialists to get hold of one of these and =
> >> test. The weather in the UK at the moment is pretty horrendous,
> >> and it doesn't look like I'll be getting out to record wildfowl
> >> coming into roost within the next few days. I can't wait to try
> >> this out in 'the field'.
> >> Cheers
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi to Marco and all,
> >>> The lead arrived today, and I have just tested it and this is
> >>> what I've found. Plug into MIC; Turn LS-10 gain to 2 and reduce
> >>> iRig gain to minimum. Set sense to Low and turn on to Record
> >>> Pause; adjust gain on iRig. There will be no response if gain is
> >>> set to zero on LS-10.
> >>> I've done a very quick test with these settings, and at maximum
> >>> gain on the iRig, and I have to say that I'm extremely surprised
> >>> at the quality. All being well I'll do another test late at night =
> >>> with no outdoor traffic, and with all nearby electrical
> >>> components turned off. I will then submit a short sample for one
> >>> of our 'tech boys' to examine, and give us a more critical
> >>> opinion. I should have said that the mic I used was an AT3032.
> >>> One thing already for the 'tech boys' is, that Audition showed
> >>> two identical waveforms; not one?
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Max
> >>> p.s. recording at 88.2 - 24bit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Marco,
> >>>> You are of course perfectly correct in saying that headphones
> >>>> can be used via the recording unit! As I understand it, the eBay =
> >>>> connector socket is designed to take a TRRS jack as the iPhone/
> >>>> iPod has. The advert has MAC in the title, and also says
> >>>> 'Convert your stereo headphones that also have an integrated
> >>>> microphone'.
> >>>> It will be interesting to find out; I too have ordered one, on
> >>>> the basis that I'm in no rush, and it's easier!
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Max
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In m.pesente@ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Max,
> >>>>> I know, it's a fancy way of what I have done to connect the
> >>>>> iRig Pre to an external recorder, but it's the only way I was
> >>>>> able to ensure that everything is working.
> >>>>> Listening is done by connecting the headphones to the recorder
> >>>>> (using FelMicamp cable for now!), while the headphone jack of
> >>>>> the IRig Pre must be plugged with a 4 pins Jack, preferably
> >>>>> with the headset for Iphone (do not ask me why, but in my case
> >>>>> it is so!), because there is no signal for headphones from Irig =
> >>>>> Pre!
> >>>>> I just bought on Ebay the cable you sent the link: I hope it
> >>>>> works, even if I have some doubts because the OUT on iRig Pre
> >>>>> (as previously said)seems to be plugged with a 4 pins jack
> >>>>> instead of 3 pins, but soon we'll know!
> >>>>> I hope I explained the best...
> >>>>> Thanks for the Ebay link!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Marco Pesente from Italy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@> =
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Pesente,
> >>>>>> Many thanks for your input here. I have to confess that I
> >>>>>> didn't fully understand your explanation, probably because I'm =
> >>>>>> not really awake yet! If I did understand that you're using
> >>>>>> the headphone OUT on the iRig, then I'm confused, because I
> >>>>>> thought I'd read somewhere that the headphone OUT was not
> >>>>>> passed through from the iRig, but was a return from the
> >>>>>> iPhone? BUT, I'm not that well educated in this area, so I
> >>>>>> probably got it wrong.
> >>>>>> Anyway, one method I was going to try, being quite lazy, was
> >>>>>> this:
> >>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330820239423?
> >>>>>> ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1423.l2649
> >>>>>> To make it neater you could cut off the headphone lead and
> >>>>>> insulate. The only problem with this is, if what I heard is
> >>>>>> correct, then there wouldn't be any signal from the iRig
> >>>>>> headphone output.
> >>>>>> Can you enlighten me on any of this please?
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In m.pesente@ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Max,
> >>>>>>> I connected the iRig Pre to some of my small audio recorders
> >>>>>>> (M10, LS5, Roland R05, Zoom H1 etc) feeding a single AT 3032
> >>>>>>> Ph 48v with very good results. I am very pleased with this
> >>>>>>> small microphone preamplifier iRig Pre suggested me by Gianni =
> >>>>>>> Pavan. In order to use the iRig Pre on a device other than a =
> >>>>>>> IOs system (iPhone, etc.), for which it was designed, just
> >>>>>>> plug in a 3.5mm "four pins" jack (the same of an IPhone
> >>>>>>> headphones cable) to the IRig Pre headphones OUT and a pair
> >>>>>>> of headphones 3,5 Jack connected to a 10 cm cable "FEL Socket =
> >>>>>>> Saver, stereo" sold by FelMicAmp. Only in this way I'm able
> >>>>>>> to obtain at the same time to record and monitor the
> >>>>>>> recording with a device different from IPhone system.
> >>>>>>> Max, once you have made or found a cable that enables to
> >>>>>>> connect the iRig Pre with an audio recorder in an easier way
> >>>>>>> than mine, I would be grateful if you would inform us.
> >>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pesente Marco from Italy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "I apologize for any mistakes due to typing by cell phone and =
> >>>>>>> the help of the online translator!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- In "Max"
> >>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Mike and all,
> >>>>>>>> Apologies for not getting back earlier. I have to say that
> >>>>>>>> I'm quite impressed with the iRig pre. I tried it using my
> >>>>>>>> only remaining AT3032 (really wish I hadn't sold my other
> >>>>>>>> two!) and the quality improvement over the internal mic of
> >>>>>>>> my iPod Touch was obvious. Most obvious was loss of low
> >>>>>>>> frequency random noise, in addition to the obvious benefit
> >>>>>>>> of gain. My simple tests were using my 66 year old ears,
> >>>>>>>> which aren't that good, so take this as you will; I'm sorry
> >>>>>>>> it's not more scientific. What I intend to do next is to try =
> >>>>>>>> the beast with my LS-10 after buying/making an adapter.
> >>>>>>>> As an aside note, I re-tried the the Nakamichi CM-300 set
> >>>>>>>> again yesterday with my LS-10. This time, I used the low
> >>>>>>>> setting sense setting and then upped amplitude by 6db in
> >>>>>>>> Audition. The results certainly confirmed what Umashankar
> >>>>>>>> said; this is a really good quality, quiet and useful set to =
> >>>>>>>> carry (shotgun CP4 with very narrow super cardioid pattern;
> >>>>>>>> omni and cardioid shorts). Whether or not I'd be prepared to =
> >>>>>>>> pay the asking price I've seen on eBay USA sometimes, I'm
> >>>>>>>> not sure, but if any of you get the chance to pick one up
> >>>>>>>> cheaply, I'd say don't hesitate. The only downside is that
> >>>>>>>> the batteries are not cheap, but according to Umashankar
> >>>>>>>> it's posssible to convert to phantom power.
> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- In "Max"
> >>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No problem Mike, glad to be of help.
> >>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --- In Michael Dalton
> >>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Howdy Max!
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lead. I have filed it as a suggestion for
> >>>>>>>>>> my friend.
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder why a budget US based supplier such as Nady
> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't offer something similar. Maybe they do; I haven't
> >>>>>>>>>> looked yet.
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> The LS-10 owner hasn't said=EF=BF=BDwhether any of my
> >>>>>>>>>> suggestions have helped.
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>>> Florida
> >>>>>>>>>> www.ParrotSpeech.com
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>> Re: Noise in LS-10
> >>>>>>>>>> Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> >>>>>>>>>> "Max" oatcruncher
> >>>>>>>>>> Forgot the link:
> >>>>>>>>>> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ naturerecordists /
> >>>>>>>>>> message/ 49179
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, "Max"
> >>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@ ...> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Dalton =
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@ > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The other approach would be to use an external mike and
> >>>>>>>>>>> preamp. Is there a miniature system that is decent and
> >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive for bypassing the internal mikes?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parrotsp eech.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> See my iRig post here
> >>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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