We got there in the end Keith! Well done. I've just listened to the recordi=
ng through my near field speakers (my headphones are in the car and I'm fee=
ling lazy!) and I have to say that the quality was better than I was expect=
ing. What was the sudden gush of water? And nearer the end, some background=
(?) sound disappeared suddenly? That bird call I hadn't heard before, so I=
'm guessing that was a species we don't get in the UK.
Once again thanks for the trouble you took!
Cheers
Max
--- In Keith Smith <> wrote:
>
> Ok. There was a space in there. Gmail handles them, but Yahoo doesn't.
>
> Sorry to all for this!!!
> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/Sony_ECM-MS907_661.wav
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Keith Smith <> wrote:
>
> > Did it again. I've shortened the file name.
> > http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/Sony ECM-MS907_661.wav
> > k
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Keith Smith <> wrote:
> >
> >> I see. Yahoo breaks the link.
> >> try this<http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_Sony%2=
0ECM-MS907_661_InGain8.wav>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Max <> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I can't get to work either, and I've tried it two browsers; Firefox a=
nd
> >>> Chrome?
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>> --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry 'bout that! This tests OK -darned if I can see the difference=
;)
> >>> > http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_Sony
> >>> > ECM-MS907_661_InGain8.wav
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > **
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi Keith!
> >>> > > OK, the good news; I just love your brilliant piccie - devastatin=
gly
> >>> good!
> >>> > > The bad news; the sound link doesn't work. I was so looking forwa=
rd
> >>> to
> >>> > > listening to that, particularly as you went to all that trouble.
> >>> > > So, you've got an uncle in Norwich? I live about 70 miles from
> >>> there; it's
> >>> > > a beautiful city. Are you an ex pat, or is it one of those
> >>> complicated
> >>> > > stories? If so, you don't have to tell it!
> >>> > > Hope you can sort the link
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers
> >>> > > Max
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > HI Max,
> >>> > > > I've never sold anything good without regretting it later (usua=
lly
> >>> > > within a
> >>> > > > week!). A couple of those guitars would buy me a lovely mic clo=
set
> >>> today.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I took the Sony ECM MS907 out this morning. Terrible day for ai=
r
> >>> > > traffic. I
> >>> > > > was on the edge of the city. Things are pretty slow for wildlif=
e
> >>> sounds
> >>> > > > around here at this time of year (and at my skill level), so it
> >>> won't
> >>> > > sound
> >>> > > > like my uncle's English country garden in Norwich!
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > It's pretty hissy, but not the most objectionable hiss I've eve=
r
> >>> heard.
> >>> > > The
> >>> > > > MS907 is plugged into a Marantz PMD 661 with the gain set to 8.=
I
> >>> haven't
> >>> > > > applied any EQ, or postGain; just chopped and x-faded. At 2:12 =
I
> >>> replay
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > last few seconds with some gentle denoising (Voxengo Redunoise
> >>> > > --signature
> >>> > > > acquired from the under-the-bedclothes test) with 2db of makeup
> >>> gain.
> >>> > > > Temperature is about 4=B0C, gently breezy and you'll hear some =
snow
> >>> falling
> >>> > > > off trees in the sun. The creek will perhaps give a better idea=
of
> >>> the
> >>> > > > imaging at 120=B0, which hasn't been altered. I'm guessing this
> >>> would be
> >>> > > > similar to the HD-P2 at about 7-7.5, as the Marantz pre's seem =
to
> >>> offer a
> >>> > > > little more, and quieter gain.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_SonyECM-MS907_=
Message: 661_InGain8.
Subject: wav
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I also met a new
> >>> > > > friend<
> >>> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/2012_11_14_IMG_0066-1-1.JPG>who
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > made my day -love these image-stabilizing tele's!
> >>> > > > k
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > > **
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Hi Keith!
> >>> > > > > Let's hope I have better luck with THIS reply!
> >>> > > > > Firstly, in reference to the CAD 179, I do have one of those,=
and
> >>> > > bought
> >>> > > > > it with the intention of making up an M/S rig, but never did =
get
> >>> > > around to
> >>> > > > > it. The original idea was to use it with my MKH60 which I sol=
d
> >>> complete
> >>> > > > > with Rycote basket and fluffy for a silly price brrr! Secondl=
y,
> >>> I also
> >>> > > > > still have my HD-P2. This is pure luck, because I bought it i=
n a
> >>> bit
> >>> > > of a
> >>> > > > > state, with repair work needing doing, and because it looks a=
bit
> >>> > > rough I
> >>> > > > > didn't bother to sell it, even though it now works perfectly.=
A
> >>> month
> >>> > > or
> >>> > > > > two back a brand new sealed case for it came up on eBay at a
> >>> silly
> >>> > > price,
> >>> > > > > so I bought it, and at least it looks better now! The only ot=
her
> >>> mic
> >>> > > I'm
> >>> > > > > likely to buy sometime is the AT BP 4025, which Jan brought t=
o my
> >>> > > attention
> >>> > > > > with one of his marvelous recordings. I still have a couple o=
f
> >>> ME66's
> >>> > > with
> >>> > > > > K6's, but one of them is faulty; must sort that out! Lots of
> >>> things to
> >>> > > keep
> >>> > > > > me happy for a while anyway.
> >>> > > > > I went out yesterday to see if I could find some Crossbills t=
o
> >>> record;
> >>> > > I
> >>> > > > > found them, but had equipment problems. I'd taken the Nakamic=
hi
> >>> > > collection
> >>> > > > > with me and had the long shotgun on it. It soon became clear =
I
> >>> there
> >>> > > was a
> >>> > > > > problem which made all three mics useless! The birds were the=
re
> >>> with a
> >>> > > nice
> >>> > > > > flock of Siskins, but the means to record them wasn't!! On
> >>> inspection
> >>> > > this
> >>> > > > > morning, it turns out that the problem was with the lead whic=
h
> >>> came
> >>> > > with
> >>> > > > > the mics. Clearly at some time the previous owner had replace=
d
> >>> the
> >>> > > lead and
> >>> > > > > for some reason hadn't connected the ground in the XLR! When =
I'd
> >>> > > previously
> >>> > > > > tested it, it must by chance have been just touching?! For so=
me
> >>> stupid
> >>> > > > > reason; I'm guessing old age, it didn't occur to me to use th=
e
> >>> internal
> >>> > > > > mics! Such is life
> >>> > > > > Cheers
> >>> > > > > Max
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmit=
h@>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Heh, It's probably my bad Karma, Max.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > I did notice the 25 DB?, so I haven't been in a hurry ;)
> >>> > > > > > When I bought the Sony mic it was a few years before I beca=
me
> >>> at all
> >>> > > > > > serious about recording. It was an improvement over somethi=
ng
> >>> even
> >>> > > > > cheaper.
> >>> > > > > > I was making casual recordings of gigs I played, so much of=
the
> >>> > > > > self-noise
> >>> > > > > > would have been masked by cymbals and the background noise =
of
> >>> the
> >>> > > crowd.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > As I think back, I have to admit I'm a wimp. Although my fi=
rst
> >>> > > recordings
> >>> > > > > > go back to a Webcor wire recorder, it wasn't until half dec=
ent
> >>> audio
> >>> > > > > > interfaces for computers became affordable that I could get
> >>> results
> >>> > > that
> >>> > > > > I
> >>> > > > > > could stand, and thereafter develop more than a cursory
> >>> interest in
> >>> > > > > > recording.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Some of the most useful material I've seen on comparing mic
> >>> specs
> >>> > > came on
> >>> > > > > > links I found in this group. It was a great help to get a f=
eel
> >>> for
> >>> > > how
> >>> > > > > the
> >>> > > > > > relationship between sensitivity and self-noise affect nois=
e
> >>> > > performance
> >>> > > > > of
> >>> > > > > > a mic/pre combination.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_mic_recorder.htm (Raimund i=
s
> >>> a major
> >>> > > > > > contributor here.)
> >>> > > > > > http://www.rane.com/note148.html
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > I also find this site very useful:
> >>> > > > > > http://www.microphone-data.com/
> >>> > > > > > You need to set up an account (free), but I haven't receive=
d
> >>> any
> >>> > > new, or
> >>> > > > > > more spam than usual after signing up.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Take a look at the sensitivity vs self-noise of some of the
> >>> >$2K
> >>> > > > > > Sennheiser's that get mentioned on this list. Then take a
> >>> Valium &
> >>> > > lay
> >>> > > > > down
> >>> > > > > > for a while.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > A little OT:
> >>> > > > > > One source of inexpensive and quiet mics that seldom gets
> >>> mentioned
> >>> > > here
> >>> > > > > is
> >>> > > > > > CAD. I have 3 M-179's and a Pair of e300=B2's. One caveat w=
ith
> >>> these is
> >>> > > > > that
> >>> > > > > > they're pretty greedy on phantom power, drawing around 8ma/=
ea,
> >>> which
> >>> > > will
> >>> > > > > > probably exceed what your portable recorder will supply. Th=
ey
> >>> are
> >>> > > > > > multi-pattern though (179's are inf variable), and great fo=
r MS
> >>> > > > > recording.
> >>> > > > > > I got some decent MS stuff with a pair of 179's on my Tasca=
m
> >>> HDP2,
> >>> > > > > before I
> >>> > > > > > realized I might be toasting the phantom supply. Now I'm a =
bit
> >>> timid
> >>> > > > > about
> >>> > > > > > trying it again.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Rode is in the same league for noise, and probably less gre=
edy
> >>> but on
> >>> > > > > some
> >>> > > > > > models they seem a little queasy about actually stating
> >>> current draw
> >>> > > > > (just
> >>> > > > > > listing as P48).
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > I think my next move is to get some Primo EM172's (lots of
> >>> stuff
> >>> > > here on
> >>> > > > > > these) and warm up the soldering iron.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Cheers,
> >>> > > > > > Keith
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote=
:
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > **
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > I've emailed you privately Keith
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > --- In "Max"
> >>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > Very strange!!! I added my reply to Keith on the end of=
my
> >>> > > previous
> >>> > > > > > > post, but once again it wouldn't send. So I deleted it, a=
nd
> >>> off it
> >>> > > > > went????
> >>> > > > > > > I'll try adding it here, but I'm not hopeful.
> >>> > > > > > > > No, it won't go!?
> >>> > > > > > > > I'll try posting under a new title
> >>> > > > > > > > Max
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > --- In "Max"
> >>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>> > > > > wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > Hi David,
> >>> > > > > > > > > I'm having great difficulty posting this evening; I'v=
e
> >>> been
> >>> > > trying
> >>> > > > > to
> >>> > > > > > > reply to Keith for hours without success. I'll post my re=
ply
> >>> to
> >>> > > him on
> >>> > > > > the
> >>> > > > > > > end of this, just in case.
> >>> > > > > > > > > OK, I appreciate your reply and the extra input you'v=
e
> >>> given.
> >>> > > One
> >>> > > > > > > thing I'm assuming about this mic, is that the decoding i=
s
> >>> done
> >>> > > > > internally.
> >>> > > > > > > At this point in time my technical knowledge is limited, =
but
> >>> as
> >>> > > > > there's no
> >>> > > > > > > mention of having to decode, I'm guessing it won't need t=
o be
> >>> > > done. In
> >>> > > > > a
> >>> > > > > > > way I hope it DOES have to be done, because it would be
> >>> something
> >>> > > to
> >>> > > > > learn
> >>> > > > > > > and play with in Audition! But as I've said already, I'm =
not
> >>> really
> >>> > > > > > > expecting much for such a dirt cheap mic, but it was the =
m/s
> >>> spec
> >>> > > that
> >>> > > > > > > rather intrigued me. Time will tell.
> >>> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> >>> > > > > > > > > Max
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > --- In "Avocet"
> >>> <brini@>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > > What do YOU make of the specs? It's so cheap that=
I'm
> >>> > > tempted
> >>> > > > > to
> >>> > > > > > > buy
> >>> > > > > > > > > > > one whatever, to try with my LS-10.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Max,
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > It is likely to be value for money, take that as yo=
u
> >>> will.
> >>> > > :-)
> >>> > > > > As a
> >>> > > > > > > > > > kickabout mic or for putting on idents, fine, but d=
on't
> >>> > > expect
> >>> > > > > much
> >>> > > > > > > > > > with those specs.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > The stated noise level is high, whatever weighting =
is
> >>> used
> >>> > > but I
> >>> > > > > > > would
> >>> > > > > > > > > > have thought that they would have stated A-weightin=
g
> >>> if that
> >>> > > is
> >>> > > > > what
> >>> > > > > > > > > > they mean. Witn no info, I'd expect a "best case"
> >>> test. They
> >>> > > are
> >>> > > > > > > > > > unlikely to publish a "worst case" test.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > The output worries me at 5.6mV/Pa which is low for =
any
> >>> mic.
> >>> > > With
> >>> > > > > > > quiet
> >>> > > > > > > > > > sounds like nature recording, the input noise of an=
y
> >>> > > affordable
> >>> > > > > > > > > > recorder will probably be audible, even over the 25=
dB
> >>> mic
> >>> > > spec.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > As a music mic, the max SPL of 110 dB rules it out =
for
> >>> close
> >>> > > > > miking
> >>> > > > > > > of
> >>> > > > > > > > > > instruments or even voices. It may be bad for handl=
ing
> >>> noise
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > > > > > prone
> >>> > > > > > > > > > to wind as well due to the fig-8 reponse.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > You can't easily separate out the M cardioid capsul=
e
> >>> so you
> >>> > > will
> >>> > > > > > > > > > always have an all-round pickup from the fig-8.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > David
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > David Brinicombe
> >>> > > > > > > > > > North Devon, UK
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > --
> >>> > > > > > Keith Smith
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai -
> >>> > > www.keithsmith.ca
> >>> > > > > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > --
> >>> > > > Keith Smith
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai -
> >>> www.keithsmith.ca
> >>> > > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Keith Smith
> >>> >
> >>> > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmit=
h.ca
> >>> > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Keith Smith
> >>
> >> Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.c=
a
> >> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Keith Smith
> >
> > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
> > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Keith Smith
>
> Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>
>
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