Hi Keith!
Let's hope I have better luck with THIS reply!
Firstly, in reference to the CAD 179, I do have one of those, and bought it=
with the intention of making up an M/S rig, but never did get around to it=
. The original idea was to use it with my MKH60 which I sold complete with =
Rycote basket and fluffy for a silly price brrr! Secondly, I also still ha=
ve my HD-P2. This is pure luck, because I bought it in a bit of a state, wi=
th repair work needing doing, and because it looks a bit rough I didn't bot=
her to sell it, even though it now works perfectly. A month or two back a b=
rand new sealed case for it came up on eBay at a silly price, so I bought =
it, and at least it looks better now! The only other mic I'm likely to buy =
sometime is the AT BP 4025, which Jan brought to my attention with one of h=
is marvelous recordings. I still have a couple of ME66's with K6's, but one=
of them is faulty; must sort that out! Lots of things to keep me happy for=
a while anyway.
I went out yesterday to see if I could find some Crossbills to record; I fo=
und them, but had equipment problems. I'd taken the Nakamichi collection wi=
th me and had the long shotgun on it. It soon became clear I there was a pr=
oblem which made all three mics useless! The birds were there with a nice f=
lock of Siskins, but the means to record them wasn't!! On inspection this m=
orning, it turns out that the problem was with the lead which came with the=
mics. Clearly at some time the previous owner had replaced the lead and fo=
r some reason hadn't connected the ground in the XLR! When I'd previously t=
ested it, it must by chance have been just touching?! For some stupid reaso=
n; I'm guessing old age, it didn't occur to me to use the internal mics! Su=
ch is life
Cheers
Max
--- In Keith Smith <> wrote:
>
> Heh, It's probably my bad Karma, Max.
>
> I did notice the 25 DB?, so I haven't been in a hurry ;)
> When I bought the Sony mic it was a few years before I became at all
> serious about recording. It was an improvement over something even cheape=
r.
> I was making casual recordings of gigs I played, so much of the self-nois=
e
> would have been masked by cymbals and the background noise of the crowd.
>
> As I think back, I have to admit I'm a wimp. Although my first recordings
> go back to a Webcor wire recorder, it wasn't until half decent audio
> interfaces for computers became affordable that I could get results that =
I
> could stand, and thereafter develop more than a cursory interest in
> recording.
>
> Some of the most useful material I've seen on comparing mic specs came on
> links I found in this group. It was a great help to get a feel for how th=
e
> relationship between sensitivity and self-noise affect noise performance =
of
> a mic/pre combination.
>
> http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_mic_recorder.htm (Raimund is a major
> contributor here.)
> http://www.rane.com/note148.html
>
> I also find this site very useful:
> http://www.microphone-data.com/
> You need to set up an account (free), but I haven't received any new, or
> more spam than usual after signing up.
>
> Take a look at the sensitivity vs self-noise of some of the >$2K
> Sennheiser's that get mentioned on this list. Then take a Valium & lay do=
wn
> for a while.
>
>
> A little OT:
> One source of inexpensive and quiet mics that seldom gets mentioned here =
is
> CAD. I have 3 M-179's and a Pair of e300=B2's. One caveat with these is t=
hat
> they're pretty greedy on phantom power, drawing around 8ma/ea, which will
> probably exceed what your portable recorder will supply. They are
> multi-pattern though (179's are inf variable), and great for MS recording=
.
> I got some decent MS stuff with a pair of 179's on my Tascam HDP2, before=
I
> realized I might be toasting the phantom supply. Now I'm a bit timid abou=
t
> trying it again.
>
> Rode is in the same league for noise, and probably less greedy but on som=
e
> models they seem a little queasy about actually stating current draw (jus=
t
> listing as P48).
>
> I think my next move is to get some Primo EM172's (lots of stuff here on
> these) and warm up the soldering iron.
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Max <> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I've emailed you privately Keith
> >
> >
> > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very strange!!! I added my reply to Keith on the end of my previous
> > post, but once again it wouldn't send. So I deleted it, and off it went=
????
> > I'll try adding it here, but I'm not hopeful.
> > > No, it won't go!?
> > > I'll try posting under a new title
> > > Max
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In "Max" <maxcatterwell@> wrote=
:
> > > >
> > > > Hi David,
> > > > I'm having great difficulty posting this evening; I've been trying =
to
> > reply to Keith for hours without success. I'll post my reply to him on =
the
> > end of this, just in case.
> > > > OK, I appreciate your reply and the extra input you've given. One
> > thing I'm assuming about this mic, is that the decoding is done interna=
lly.
> > At this point in time my technical knowledge is limited, but as there's=
no
> > mention of having to decode, I'm guessing it won't need to be done. In =
a
> > way I hope it DOES have to be done, because it would be something to le=
arn
> > and play with in Audition! But as I've said already, I'm not really
> > expecting much for such a dirt cheap mic, but it was the m/s spec that
> > rather intrigued me. Time will tell.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Max
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In "Avocet" <brini@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What do YOU make of the specs? It's so cheap that I'm tempted t=
o
> > buy
> > > > > > one whatever, to try with my LS-10.
> > > > >
> > > > > Max,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is likely to be value for money, take that as you will. :-) As=
a
> > > > > kickabout mic or for putting on idents, fine, but don't expect mu=
ch
> > > > > with those specs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The stated noise level is high, whatever weighting is used but I
> > would
> > > > > have thought that they would have stated A-weighting if that is w=
hat
> > > > > they mean. Witn no info, I'd expect a "best case" test. They are
> > > > > unlikely to publish a "worst case" test.
> > > > >
> > > > > The output worries me at 5.6mV/Pa which is low for any mic. With
> > quiet
> > > > > sounds like nature recording, the input noise of any affordable
> > > > > recorder will probably be audible, even over the 25dB mic spec.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a music mic, the max SPL of 110 dB rules it out for close miki=
ng
> > of
> > > > > instruments or even voices. It may be bad for handling noise and
> > prone
> > > > > to wind as well due to the fig-8 reponse.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't easily separate out the M cardioid capsule so you will
> > > > > always have an all-round pickup from the fig-8.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > David Brinicombe
> > > > > North Devon, UK
> > > > > Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Keith Smith
>
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> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>
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