Ok. There was a space in there. Gmail handles them, but Yahoo doesn't.
Sorry to all for this!!!
http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/Sony_ECM-MS907_661.wav
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Keith Smith <> wrote:
> Did it again. I've shortened the file name.
> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/Sony ECM-MS907_661.wav
> k
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Keith Smith <> wrote:
>
>> I see. Yahoo breaks the link.
>> try this<http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_Sony%20E=
CM-MS907_661_InGain8.wav>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Max <> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't get to work either, and I've tried it two browsers; Firefox and
>>> Chrome?
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> --- In Keith Smith <>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Sorry 'bout that! This tests OK -darned if I can see the difference ;=
)
>>> > http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_Sony
>>> > ECM-MS907_661_InGain8.wav
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Max <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > **
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi Keith!
>>> > > OK, the good news; I just love your brilliant piccie - devastatingl=
y
>>> good!
>>> > > The bad news; the sound link doesn't work. I was so looking forward
>>> to
>>> > > listening to that, particularly as you went to all that trouble.
>>> > > So, you've got an uncle in Norwich? I live about 70 miles from
>>> there; it's
>>> > > a beautiful city. Are you an ex pat, or is it one of those
>>> complicated
>>> > > stories? If so, you don't have to tell it!
>>> > > Hope you can sort the link
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers
>>> > > Max
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > HI Max,
>>> > > > I've never sold anything good without regretting it later (usuall=
y
>>> > > within a
>>> > > > week!). A couple of those guitars would buy me a lovely mic close=
t
>>> today.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I took the Sony ECM MS907 out this morning. Terrible day for air
>>> > > traffic. I
>>> > > > was on the edge of the city. Things are pretty slow for wildlife
>>> sounds
>>> > > > around here at this time of year (and at my skill level), so it
>>> won't
>>> > > sound
>>> > > > like my uncle's English country garden in Norwich!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > It's pretty hissy, but not the most objectionable hiss I've ever
>>> heard.
>>> > > The
>>> > > > MS907 is plugged into a Marantz PMD 661 with the gain set to 8. I
>>> haven't
>>> > > > applied any EQ, or postGain; just chopped and x-faded. At 2:12 I
>>> replay
>>> > > the
>>> > > > last few seconds with some gentle denoising (Voxengo Redunoise
>>> > > --signature
>>> > > > acquired from the under-the-bedclothes test) with 2db of makeup
>>> gain.
>>> > > > Temperature is about 4=B0C, gently breezy and you'll hear some sn=
ow
>>> falling
>>> > > > off trees in the sun. The creek will perhaps give a better idea o=
f
>>> the
>>> > > > imaging at 120=B0, which hasn't been altered. I'm guessing this
>>> would be
>>> > > > similar to the HD-P2 at about 7-7.5, as the Marantz pre's seem to
>>> offer a
>>> > > > little more, and quieter gain.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/121114-GriffithWoods_SonyECM-MS907_66=
Message: 1_InGain8.
Subject: wav
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I also met a new
>>> > > > friend<
>>> http://www.samplesmith.com/NatRec/2012_11_14_IMG_0066-1-1.JPG>who
>>> > >
>>> > > > made my day -love these image-stabilizing tele's!
>>> > > > k
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > **
>>> > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Hi Keith!
>>> > > > > Let's hope I have better luck with THIS reply!
>>> > > > > Firstly, in reference to the CAD 179, I do have one of those, a=
nd
>>> > > bought
>>> > > > > it with the intention of making up an M/S rig, but never did ge=
t
>>> > > around to
>>> > > > > it. The original idea was to use it with my MKH60 which I sold
>>> complete
>>> > > > > with Rycote basket and fluffy for a silly price brrr! Secondly,
>>> I also
>>> > > > > still have my HD-P2. This is pure luck, because I bought it in =
a
>>> bit
>>> > > of a
>>> > > > > state, with repair work needing doing, and because it looks a b=
it
>>> > > rough I
>>> > > > > didn't bother to sell it, even though it now works perfectly. A
>>> month
>>> > > or
>>> > > > > two back a brand new sealed case for it came up on eBay at a
>>> silly
>>> > > price,
>>> > > > > so I bought it, and at least it looks better now! The only othe=
r
>>> mic
>>> > > I'm
>>> > > > > likely to buy sometime is the AT BP 4025, which Jan brought to =
my
>>> > > attention
>>> > > > > with one of his marvelous recordings. I still have a couple of
>>> ME66's
>>> > > with
>>> > > > > K6's, but one of them is faulty; must sort that out! Lots of
>>> things to
>>> > > keep
>>> > > > > me happy for a while anyway.
>>> > > > > I went out yesterday to see if I could find some Crossbills to
>>> record;
>>> > > I
>>> > > > > found them, but had equipment problems. I'd taken the Nakamichi
>>> > > collection
>>> > > > > with me and had the long shotgun on it. It soon became clear I
>>> there
>>> > > was a
>>> > > > > problem which made all three mics useless! The birds were there
>>> with a
>>> > > nice
>>> > > > > flock of Siskins, but the means to record them wasn't!! On
>>> inspection
>>> > > this
>>> > > > > morning, it turns out that the problem was with the lead which
>>> came
>>> > > with
>>> > > > > the mics. Clearly at some time the previous owner had replaced
>>> the
>>> > > lead and
>>> > > > > for some reason hadn't connected the ground in the XLR! When I'=
d
>>> > > previously
>>> > > > > tested it, it must by chance have been just touching?! For some
>>> stupid
>>> > > > > reason; I'm guessing old age, it didn't occur to me to use the
>>> internal
>>> > > > > mics! Such is life
>>> > > > > Cheers
>>> > > > > Max
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --- In Keith Smith <kahsmith@=
>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Heh, It's probably my bad Karma, Max.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I did notice the 25 DB?, so I haven't been in a hurry ;)
>>> > > > > > When I bought the Sony mic it was a few years before I became
>>> at all
>>> > > > > > serious about recording. It was an improvement over something
>>> even
>>> > > > > cheaper.
>>> > > > > > I was making casual recordings of gigs I played, so much of t=
he
>>> > > > > self-noise
>>> > > > > > would have been masked by cymbals and the background noise of
>>> the
>>> > > crowd.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > As I think back, I have to admit I'm a wimp. Although my firs=
t
>>> > > recordings
>>> > > > > > go back to a Webcor wire recorder, it wasn't until half decen=
t
>>> audio
>>> > > > > > interfaces for computers became affordable that I could get
>>> results
>>> > > that
>>> > > > > I
>>> > > > > > could stand, and thereafter develop more than a cursory
>>> interest in
>>> > > > > > recording.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Some of the most useful material I've seen on comparing mic
>>> specs
>>> > > came on
>>> > > > > > links I found in this group. It was a great help to get a fee=
l
>>> for
>>> > > how
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > > relationship between sensitivity and self-noise affect noise
>>> > > performance
>>> > > > > of
>>> > > > > > a mic/pre combination.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > http://www.avisoft.com/tutorial_mic_recorder.htm (Raimund is
>>> a major
>>> > > > > > contributor here.)
>>> > > > > > http://www.rane.com/note148.html
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I also find this site very useful:
>>> > > > > > http://www.microphone-data.com/
>>> > > > > > You need to set up an account (free), but I haven't received
>>> any
>>> > > new, or
>>> > > > > > more spam than usual after signing up.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Take a look at the sensitivity vs self-noise of some of the
>>> >$2K
>>> > > > > > Sennheiser's that get mentioned on this list. Then take a
>>> Valium &
>>> > > lay
>>> > > > > down
>>> > > > > > for a while.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > A little OT:
>>> > > > > > One source of inexpensive and quiet mics that seldom gets
>>> mentioned
>>> > > here
>>> > > > > is
>>> > > > > > CAD. I have 3 M-179's and a Pair of e300=B2's. One caveat wit=
h
>>> these is
>>> > > > > that
>>> > > > > > they're pretty greedy on phantom power, drawing around 8ma/ea=
,
>>> which
>>> > > will
>>> > > > > > probably exceed what your portable recorder will supply. They
>>> are
>>> > > > > > multi-pattern though (179's are inf variable), and great for =
MS
>>> > > > > recording.
>>> > > > > > I got some decent MS stuff with a pair of 179's on my Tascam
>>> HDP2,
>>> > > > > before I
>>> > > > > > realized I might be toasting the phantom supply. Now I'm a bi=
t
>>> timid
>>> > > > > about
>>> > > > > > trying it again.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Rode is in the same league for noise, and probably less greed=
y
>>> but on
>>> > > > > some
>>> > > > > > models they seem a little queasy about actually stating
>>> current draw
>>> > > > > (just
>>> > > > > > listing as P48).
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I think my next move is to get some Primo EM172's (lots of
>>> stuff
>>> > > here on
>>> > > > > > these) and warm up the soldering iron.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Cheers,
>>> > > > > > Keith
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Max <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > **
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I've emailed you privately Keith
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --- In "Max"
>>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Very strange!!! I added my reply to Keith on the end of m=
y
>>> > > previous
>>> > > > > > > post, but once again it wouldn't send. So I deleted it, and
>>> off it
>>> > > > > went????
>>> > > > > > > I'll try adding it here, but I'm not hopeful.
>>> > > > > > > > No, it won't go!?
>>> > > > > > > > I'll try posting under a new title
>>> > > > > > > > Max
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > --- In "Max"
>>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Hi David,
>>> > > > > > > > > I'm having great difficulty posting this evening; I've
>>> been
>>> > > trying
>>> > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > reply to Keith for hours without success. I'll post my repl=
y
>>> to
>>> > > him on
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > end of this, just in case.
>>> > > > > > > > > OK, I appreciate your reply and the extra input you've
>>> given.
>>> > > One
>>> > > > > > > thing I'm assuming about this mic, is that the decoding is
>>> done
>>> > > > > internally.
>>> > > > > > > At this point in time my technical knowledge is limited, bu=
t
>>> as
>>> > > > > there's no
>>> > > > > > > mention of having to decode, I'm guessing it won't need to =
be
>>> > > done. In
>>> > > > > a
>>> > > > > > > way I hope it DOES have to be done, because it would be
>>> something
>>> > > to
>>> > > > > learn
>>> > > > > > > and play with in Audition! But as I've said already, I'm no=
t
>>> really
>>> > > > > > > expecting much for such a dirt cheap mic, but it was the m/=
s
>>> spec
>>> > > that
>>> > > > > > > rather intrigued me. Time will tell.
>>> > > > > > > > > Cheers
>>> > > > > > > > > Max
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > --- In "Avocet"
>>> <brini@>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > What do YOU make of the specs? It's so cheap that I=
'm
>>> > > tempted
>>> > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > buy
>>> > > > > > > > > > > one whatever, to try with my LS-10.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Max,
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > It is likely to be value for money, take that as you
>>> will.
>>> > > :-)
>>> > > > > As a
>>> > > > > > > > > > kickabout mic or for putting on idents, fine, but don=
't
>>> > > expect
>>> > > > > much
>>> > > > > > > > > > with those specs.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > The stated noise level is high, whatever weighting is
>>> used
>>> > > but I
>>> > > > > > > would
>>> > > > > > > > > > have thought that they would have stated A-weighting
>>> if that
>>> > > is
>>> > > > > what
>>> > > > > > > > > > they mean. Witn no info, I'd expect a "best case"
>>> test. They
>>> > > are
>>> > > > > > > > > > unlikely to publish a "worst case" test.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > The output worries me at 5.6mV/Pa which is low for an=
y
>>> mic.
>>> > > With
>>> > > > > > > quiet
>>> > > > > > > > > > sounds like nature recording, the input noise of any
>>> > > affordable
>>> > > > > > > > > > recorder will probably be audible, even over the 25dB
>>> mic
>>> > > spec.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > As a music mic, the max SPL of 110 dB rules it out fo=
r
>>> close
>>> > > > > miking
>>> > > > > > > of
>>> > > > > > > > > > instruments or even voices. It may be bad for handlin=
g
>>> noise
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > > > prone
>>> > > > > > > > > > to wind as well due to the fig-8 reponse.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > You can't easily separate out the M cardioid capsule
>>> so you
>>> > > will
>>> > > > > > > > > > always have an all-round pickup from the fig-8.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > David
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > David Brinicombe
>>> > > > > > > > > > North Devon, UK
>>> > > > > > > > > > Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > Keith Smith
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai -
>>> > > www.keithsmith.ca
>>> > > > > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Keith Smith
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai -
>>> www.keithsmith.ca
>>> > > > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Keith Smith
>>> >
>>> > Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.=
ca
>>> > Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Keith Smith
>>
>> Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
>> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Keith Smith
>
> Keith Smith Trio, Northern Lights =96 Altai Khangai - www.keithsmith.ca
> Photography - www.mymountains.ca
>
>
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Keith Smith
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