Using the built in mics? I think someone here tried that, but found the imp=
rovement was small.
I considered trying to cut holes in a couple of bits of board to fit over t=
he mics as boundaries angled to each other, but the holes would be a comple=
x shape and I decided it might be easier to just use external mics.
I don't know much about mics. How do the mics in something like the LS11 wo=
rk? Would it be possible to build something like those and clip it on the f=
ront?
Peter Shute
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of ac
> Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012 8:04 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: Olympus LS5, LS7 and Sony M10
> internal mics comparison.
>
> i too have been wondering if it might possible to clip on some kind of
> primitive jecklin disk to the M10, though i've not had the time to
> experiment with the idea yet.
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Mike Rooke <> wrote:
> > Peter is it not possible to improve the sound stage using shuffling
> or other mid/side techniques? See http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=3D1744
> >
> > The SASS boundary would scale but as the size is reduced so is the
> boundary effect and you move its effect upwards towards the high
> frequency region.
> >
> > A tiny barrier between four coincident omni's with post processing
> may be the way to go if your after a smaller rig, or a dipole setup -
> in the field it sounds mono so perhaps not that useful.
> >
> > The audio at 02:29 - 03:28 is a Dipole Microphone in the example on
> my blog:-
> >
> > http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=3D1297
> >
> > The omni's are EM172's and 2 per channel - they fit inside the
> original Edirol/Roland CS15 microphone.
> >
> > Circa 2010 vintage.
> >
> > -Mike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Peter Shute <>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If the M10 is ok apart from the poor sound stage, I wonder how small
> one could build external mics for it that do better. Ie small enough to
> leave permanently attached and still be able to fit it in your pocket.
> >>
> >> Would the SASS design many of us use with EM172 capsules scale down?
> >>
> >> Peter Shute
> >>
> >>
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> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Mon Jul 16 04:56:00 2012
> >> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Olympus LS5, LS7 and Sony M10
> internal mics comparison.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, Robin, I agree. This is why I have not yet decided on a small
> recorder to replace my minidisc. None of the currently-produced, low-
> cost units gets it quite right for me. The LS-5 might do it if it were
> available in the US. The LS7 would if it had a line input.
> >>
> >> Marco, I have found these tests very helpful, especially to have
> both the earlier test to demonstrate sonic image, and the later test to
> demonstrate self noise. The earlier test clearly showed the inferior
> image from the PCM-M10 and Roland R-05. Very quiet, but very
> monophonic. Did either recorder display more than one Brini-sonel?
> >>
> >> John Crockett
> >> Westminster, Vermont
> >>
> >> --- In
> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.
> com>, "robin_parmar_sound" <robin@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > vickipowys wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > In all three tracks (i.e. judging the quality of the built-in
> mics)
> >> > > my choice is 1. M10 2. LS7 3. LS5. The M10 has much lower noise
> >> > > levels than both the Olympus models.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, but it also has a sound stage that is, for me, unusable. The
> closely spaced omnis act to record in something closer to mono than
> stereo.
> >> >
> >> > A good recorder, but only if using external mics.
> >> >
> >> > -- Robin Parmar
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause.
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