All I mean is that it's physically impossible to listen from two points at =
once without the use of technology - so 'beyond nature'. But no, I wouldn't=
say that multiple perspectives are beyond nature if you're recreating a so=
undfield through a multichannel installation. If trying to recreate a singl=
e scene, you would need to be careful about timing and intensity issues thr=
ough speaker placement and/or signal timing adjustment, otherwise the cues =
for directionality in our hearing will be smeared.
Partly following on from Jez's theme on the earlier thread, reacting to the=
thinking that there's only one way of doing things, I'm not comfortable wi=
th the normative idea that you can only record waves/the sea through a comp=
osite of multiple takes. Or that this is the best way.
And I suppose I'm defending my corner a bit. I work very much with single p=
oint stereo. I like the discipline of listening carefully and considering t=
he exact placement of the mics in relation to the spread of the soundfield.=
But hey, try it and experiment!
> 2d. Re: Simultaneous recording with two digital recorders?
> Posted by: "soundings23" soundings23
> Date: Sat Jun 9, 2012 1:03 pm ((PDT))
> Thanks Geoff ... very interesting. I think it comes back to how the recor=
ding relates to the thing recorded, the subject of previous conversations. =
If you want it to simulate how a pair of ears might experience it, then you=
're absolutely right, a single point stereo recording will approximate that=
. But are multiple perspectives "beyond nature" as you put it? That's an in=
> --- In Geoff Sample <> wrote:
>> Hi Tony
>> I followed the quiet thread but it left me somewhere in the aether. But =
this is interesting. I've worked a lot on recording the sound of the sea on=
the coast here in Northumberland over the last 20 years, and for me the id=
ea that you NEED multiple input is a myth. No offence to Chris or Bernie.
>> If you want to create something beyond nature, fine - multiple input poi=
nts can give you the raw material for heading off. Or if your objective is =
a multi-channel installation, a mic array makes sense, whether to several r=
ecorders or a multi-track, though it leads you into other time/distance iss=
>> But we listen with two ears from a single point; so it makes sense if on=
e wants to record the nature of a place, as heard, to record from a single =
point, whether static or in motion through time. And personally, for me thi=
s works better because of rhythm. From a single point you get the rhythm of=
wave and water flow: not just the major rhythm of the waves breaking, but =
also the undertow of sussuration on sand or shingle as the waves' fall-out =
recedes. Once you start mixing it from different perspectives, you mush it=
up. Even if well synced up, the fine detail gets mushed. And I think the e=
xample on Michael Gallagher's blog showed that. Rhythm was obscured.
>> So from this point of view, the craft is a matter of listening and choos=
ing the point where you feel the balance of distance and foreground feels g=
ood. And I think this is where the art of soundscape recording resides. Per=
spective - sorry for the visual metaphor.
>> OK. Back to work.
>> All the best, Geoff.
>> Geoff Sample
>> On 8 Jun 2012, at 22:32, wrote:
>>> 3a. Simultaneous recording with two digital recorders?
>>> Posted by: "soundings23" soundings23
>>> Date: Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:35 am ((PDT))
>>> Hi All ... I currently use an Edirol R-09 for my recordings. But I've j=
ust picked up cheap secondhand Sony PCM M10.
>>> I read that if you're recording soundcapes such as waves on a beach mul=
tiple recording points are recommended. (http://www.michaelgallagher.co.uk/=
>>> Has anyone had experience of recording on two independant digital recod=
ers, using say a handclap to provide a sync point, then mixing/layering the=
m together later.
>>> Does this work?
>>> Will they stay in sync?
>>> Any recomendations on positioning in general?
>>> I could of course just go and experiment ... but its nice to perpare!
"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
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