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Re: Composite detection

Subject: Re: Composite detection
From: "Michael Dalton" mdaltonarielle
Date: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:01 pm ((PDT))
Thanks to everyone who replied!
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The consensus seems to be a definite maybe. My recordings are either mixed =
binaural or recently I switched to single channel to save file space.
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I wanted to get all the opinions possible before I go to a conference in Eu=
rope, just in case the question arises. In my writing, I always make clear =
that I remove material before and after a clip, but never internally. I hop=
e this keeps me out of hot water.
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The message from John brings up a different question with which I also wres=
tle. I am writing an article about my methods that I hope others around the=
 world will take up the investigation. I would include amateur bird keepers=
 as well as academic researchers.
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There are others who send me clips of birds doing some of the things my par=
rots does, so the phenomenon I describe exist in locations other than mine.=
 Canade, England, Australia, South Africa, and so on about English speaking=
 countries (birds elsewhere speak languages I do not understand).
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I hope since I have a great quantity of data that it will be recognized as =
"honest recordings." There is yet another problem which I find annoying. A =
lady listens to the sounds, which do not register with her, she comments, "=
The bird makes noise and you come up with words that fit the noises." Well =
if that were true, I'd have to be a genius to come up with thousands of loc=
utions that happen to sound like random noises.
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Last on this list, you might comment on the following. I have been listenin=
g to bird speech for many years. People from all over send me occasional cl=
ips of their bird's "mumbles." Isn't it odd that without previously having =
heard their bird, I can transcribe their bird's words and return the script=
 to them. They respond that I am mostly correct including unusual proper na=
mes. I'm not perfect and due to the nature of speech, I sometimes get a sma=
ll percentage wrong, but as the lady said, "Am I inventing sounds that are =
just likely when the owner confirms that I am correct?"
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If I can transcribe speech by a strange bird, would you not suspect that I =
am able to relate my own bird's words accurately? Does any of this make any=
 sense to those who listen?
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Mike
Florida
www.ParrotSpeech.com
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Re: Composite detection
Posted by: "hartogj"  hartogj
Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:18 pm (PDT)


Hi Micheal,
My opinion here is that a sound recording could be very hard to prove as au=
thentic. Recordings might be great for supplementing your testimonials, how=
ever that alone will not give them scientific validity. If similar results =
can be reproduced by others following your documented method, only then wil=
l your approach become scientifically credible. A sound recording is merely=
 data, and data gets fudged all the time.

John Hartog
rockscallop. org








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