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Re: Muriemike and falling snow

Subject: Re: Muriemike and falling snow
From: "Jeremiah Moore" jeremiahmoore99
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:51 pm ((PST))
Mike -

I think mine was a long-winded way of saying what you said:  "I think the
snow recording is in a very diffuse environment"

A tip on MS processing, but I'll start that as a new thread...

-jeremiah


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Klas Strandberg <> wrote=
:

>
>
> Thanks for clarifying!
>
> I am so focused on the mic placing and the "hole," that I probably
> read your note as being too critical. And I guess my post was not
> only to you, but to most members. I mean, we do agree and disagree
> here about different mic designs and I guess everybody learns a
> little for every time we do it.
>
> Klas.
>
>
> At 21:00 2009-12-15, you wrote:
> >Klas-
> >
> >I'm afraid perhaps you take my "soft center" comment as a negative
> critique,
> >which I do not intend! I'm aware of your design tradeoffs. I'm familiar
> >with various mic arrays and techniques and use a variety in my work -
> >typically choosing between M/S, spaced omni, head-mounted pseudo-binaura=
l,
> >ORTF, or mono as the source and the intention dictate...
> >
> >Some time ago I came to the conclusion that the "HF-hole" as you
> >characterize it can be quite useful and "alive". Like a photographer
> >choosing a lens. For a strong center, I would choose MS.
> >
> >There's a strong sense of depth in the snow recording: the dry, upfront
> >crystal snowflake falls, juxtaposed with the distant car by / tires
> crushing
> >ice which activates the larger acoustic space, giving a sense of layerin=
g,
> >space and place. (Barry Blesser's work helps clarify: the acoustic space
> >being the second acoustic chamber of the instrument; how much and how
> deeply
> >position and perspective is intuitively evident via reverberation.)
> >
> >A captivating image. While the center is not strong, I prefer this for
> this
> >recording.
> >
> >as you say:
> >
> >The point ... to create a easy, handy and fast system for SoundScapes,
> > > reliable,
> > > insensitive to wind and handling noise and giving a sound which is
> > > nice to the ear
> >
> >
> >It seems you are meeting these goals very nicely. To me it's very
> >attractive.
> >
> >best regards,
> >jeremiah moore
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Klas Strandberg <<tel=
inga%40bahnhof.se>>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, you are right.
> > >
> > > Had my tripod head been more flexible, I could have pointed more
> > > downwards with the mike and thereby given more "snow-sparkles" in the
> > > center. However, a "HF-hole" in the middle is a "problem" with this
> > > kind of mikes.
> > > I wish I had had five more minutes testing the mike with this
> > > "snow-sparkling!" I have never ever heard a similar "tiny" sound, so
> > > widely and equally spread all over the place. It sounded like the
> > > whole universe was sparkling! Now there is 10 inches of snow all over
> > > and I will be very lucky to record such an event again.
> > >
> > > The hole is a consequence of the two mikes, boosting HF sideways and
> > > can only (...?) be heard (in a bothersome way..?) when you record a
> > > widespread "sparkle all around" as when the grain snow hit the frozen
> > > leaves in this almost panorama way.
> > >
> > > A more "common" stereo picture is at the the ending of
> > > http://www.telinga.com/gallery/tripple_birdfeed.mp3 where you don=B4t
> > > clearly hear the hole, as there are no audible HF getting boosted
> > > from the sides. Birds are flying between the feeder and a tree at the
> > > left, and I don't hear any bothersome change of wing sounds over the
> area.
> > > I have tried out a prototype where the mic capsules point forward,
> > > not to "shade" themselves, but then I loose some of the "crispiness"
> > > that I like and that so easily can be filtered, then also reducing
> > > some of the mic self noise.
> > >
> > > The point with trying to design something like the Muriemike, is to
> > > create a easy, handy and fast system for SoundScapes, reliable,
> > > insensitive to wind and handling noise and giving a sound which is
> > > nice to the ear.
> > > If "State of the Art" measurements + a good middle is required, only
> > > the best M/S system will do and then we enter into another world, you
> know.
> > > Still, I must say, - I have heard professional M/S recordings which
> > > have been less "alive" than from binaural and semi-binaural set-up's,
> > > some M/S has even been "flat".
> > >
> > > But I agree with you, jeremiah, the track would have been even nicer
> > > with "sparkles" all over. I try to stay happy having got the recordin=
g
> at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > The design of the MurieMike is an adventure! There are many options
> > > to make it more and more complicated in order to make it more
> > > accurate, but I must not end up with something which cannot be easily
> > > manufactured.
> > >
> > > Best wishes from Klas and a snowy Sweden.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 00:13 2009-12-15, you wrote:
> > > >klas-
> > > >
> > > >The reverberation of car tires crushing ice, amidst the close-to-mid
> field
> > > >ice crystals, and later bird vocalizations is a very nice image.
> > > >
> > > >There does not appear to be a strong center (nor is there a "central=
"
> > > >subject.) For me, this is very nice for ambience.
> > > >
> > > >Assuming this is the Olympus LS-10. (?)
> > > >
> > > >-jeremiah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Klas Strandberg
> > < <telinga%40bahnhof.se><telinga%40bahnhof.se>>
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > New MP3 at http://www.telinga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > I have never heard it before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Klas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > > > > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > > > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > > > > email:  <telinga%40bahnhof.se> <telinga%
> 40bahnhof.se> <telinga%40bahnhof.se
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > website: www.telinga.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > >
> > > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >jeremiah moore | SOUND |
> >  <jmoore%40northstation.net><jmoore%
> 40northstation.net>
>
> > > >http://www.jeremiahmoore.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > > >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > > email:  <telinga%40bahnhof.se> <telinga%40bahnhof.s=
e
> >
> > > website: www.telinga.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >jeremiah moore | SOUND | <jmoore%40northstation.n=
et>
> >http://www.jeremiahmoore.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> email:  <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> website: www.telinga.com
>
>
>
>
>



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http://www.jeremiahmoore.com/









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