Thanks for clarifying!
I am so focused on the mic placing and the "hole," that I probably
read your note as being too critical. And I guess my post was not
only to you, but to most members. I mean, we do agree and disagree
here about different mic designs and I guess everybody learns a
little for every time we do it.
Klas.
At 21:00 2009-12-15, you wrote:
>Klas-
>
>I'm afraid perhaps you take my "soft center" comment as a negative critiqu=
e,
>which I do not intend! I'm aware of your design tradeoffs. I'm familiar
>with various mic arrays and techniques and use a variety in my work -
>typically choosing between M/S, spaced omni, head-mounted pseudo-binaural,
>ORTF, or mono as the source and the intention dictate...
>
>Some time ago I came to the conclusion that the "HF-hole" as you
>characterize it can be quite useful and "alive". Like a photographer
>choosing a lens. For a strong center, I would choose MS.
>
>There's a strong sense of depth in the snow recording: the dry, upfront
>crystal snowflake falls, juxtaposed with the distant car by / tires crushi=
ng
>ice which activates the larger acoustic space, giving a sense of layering,
>space and place. (Barry Blesser's work helps clarify: the acoustic space
>being the second acoustic chamber of the instrument; how much and how deep=
ly
>position and perspective is intuitively evident via reverberation.)
>
>A captivating image. While the center is not strong, I prefer this for thi=
s
>recording.
>
>as you say:
>
>The point ... to create a easy, handy and fast system for SoundScapes,
> > reliable,
> > insensitive to wind and handling noise and giving a sound which is
> > nice to the ear
>
>
>It seems you are meeting these goals very nicely. To me it's very
>attractive.
>
>best regards,
>jeremiah moore
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Klas Strandberg <> wrot=
e:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes, you are right.
> >
> > Had my tripod head been more flexible, I could have pointed more
> > downwards with the mike and thereby given more "snow-sparkles" in the
> > center. However, a "HF-hole" in the middle is a "problem" with this
> > kind of mikes.
> > I wish I had had five more minutes testing the mike with this
> > "snow-sparkling!" I have never ever heard a similar "tiny" sound, so
> > widely and equally spread all over the place. It sounded like the
> > whole universe was sparkling! Now there is 10 inches of snow all over
> > and I will be very lucky to record such an event again.
> >
> > The hole is a consequence of the two mikes, boosting HF sideways and
> > can only (...?) be heard (in a bothersome way..?) when you record a
> > widespread "sparkle all around" as when the grain snow hit the frozen
> > leaves in this almost panorama way.
> >
> > A more "common" stereo picture is at the the ending of
> > http://www.telinga.com/gallery/tripple_birdfeed.mp3 where you don=B4t
> > clearly hear the hole, as there are no audible HF getting boosted
> > from the sides. Birds are flying between the feeder and a tree at the
> > left, and I don't hear any bothersome change of wing sounds over the ar=
ea.
> > I have tried out a prototype where the mic capsules point forward,
> > not to "shade" themselves, but then I loose some of the "crispiness"
> > that I like and that so easily can be filtered, then also reducing
> > some of the mic self noise.
> >
> > The point with trying to design something like the Muriemike, is to
> > create a easy, handy and fast system for SoundScapes, reliable,
> > insensitive to wind and handling noise and giving a sound which is
> > nice to the ear.
> > If "State of the Art" measurements + a good middle is required, only
> > the best M/S system will do and then we enter into another world, you k=
now.
> > Still, I must say, - I have heard professional M/S recordings which
> > have been less "alive" than from binaural and semi-binaural set-up's,
> > some M/S has even been "flat".
> >
> > But I agree with you, jeremiah, the track would have been even nicer
> > with "sparkles" all over. I try to stay happy having got the recording =
at
> > all.
> >
> > The design of the MurieMike is an adventure! There are many options
> > to make it more and more complicated in order to make it more
> > accurate, but I must not end up with something which cannot be easily
> > manufactured.
> >
> > Best wishes from Klas and a snowy Sweden.
> >
> >
> > At 00:13 2009-12-15, you wrote:
> > >klas-
> > >
> > >The reverberation of car tires crushing ice, amidst the close-to-mid f=
ield
> > >ice crystals, and later bird vocalizations is a very nice image.
> > >
> > >There does not appear to be a strong center (nor is there a "central"
> > >subject.) For me, this is very nice for ambience.
> > >
> > >Assuming this is the Olympus LS-10. (?)
> > >
> > >-jeremiah
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Klas Strandberg
> <<telinga%40bahnhof.se>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > New MP3 at http://www.telinga.com/gallery/gallery_private.htm
> > > >
> > > > I have never heard it before.
> > > >
> > > > Klas.
> > > >
> > > > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > > > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > > > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > > > email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se> <telinga%40bahnhof=
.se
> > >
> >
> > > > website: www.telinga.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> >
> > >----------------------------------------------------------
> > >jeremiah moore | SOUND |
> <jmoore%40northstation.net>
> > >http://www.jeremiahmoore.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> >
> > >
> > >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krau=
se
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> > website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>jeremiah moore | SOUND |
>http://www.jeremiahmoore.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
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