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Re: Microphone Noise Floor Problem

Subject: Re: Microphone Noise Floor Problem
From: "dannymeltzer" dannymeltzer
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:28 am ((PDT))
Yes this is basically what most commercial noise-reduction software does [i=
n a very general sense].  It analyzes a sample of the 'noise' then applies =
a 'fix' [based on that] to whatever longer segment of the recording you are=
 trying to fix.

--- In  "jmccubbinmd" <mccubbin.astronomy@=
...> wrote:
>
> I'm relatively new to recording outdoor ambient sounds, but am very intri=
gued by it.  I have done plenty of audio recording (amateur), but also have=
 a background in astroimaging.  I have been trying to solve the noise floor=
 problem with microphones, as it seems to bug everyone to some degree.  It =
just seems difficult and expensive to get rid of it.  So that got me thinki=
ng.
>
> For you audio engineers out there, please tell me if this is solid thinki=
ng.
>
> When I take an astrophotograph, our exposure times are very long.  The ch=
ip suffers from electronic noise, not unlike mic noise.  To get rid of it, =
we "calibrate" our images.  One of the things we do is to take a "dark fram=
e" of equal length, at the same temperature, and same degree of thermoelect=
ric cooling of the chip.  Then we mathematically subtract the noise from th=
e image and the image improves dramatically.
>
> As I was cycling through the countryside today it struck me that might be=
 possible with microphone noise.  So I tried it.  I did some more recording=
 of my test subject (for now), the pond at our farm.  I got a clip of a bir=
d chirping (my wife thinks it's a warbler, I'm not an expert on bird calls,=
 so and ID would be appreciated).
>
> I then recorded a 10 second clip with the microphones at the same gain in=
 as quiet conditions as I could find in my study (full of books and very qu=
iet).  I used that as my "noise floor sample".
>
> Then I imported the audio into Audacity (for simplicity) and first amplif=
ied the bird call sample a fixed amount (19db in this case).  I then amplif=
ied the noise floor sample by the same amount.  I then did a high pass filt=
er to get rid of a distant train passing (troublesome buggers).
>
> Then I copied the clip with and without the noise reduction.  In audacity=
, you first take a "noise sample reference", then apply that reference to t=
he redording.  Obviously, I used the noise sample and applied it to the rec=
ording of the bird.  The first half of his mp3 is without noise reduction, =
just the 19db amplification and hipass filter.  The second half is with noi=
se reduction.
>
> I think it worked.
>
> If there is a better way of doing this, let me know.
>
> The equipment used here is a "matched" pair of Rode NT1-A's with foam win=
d guards, into a Sound Devices 702.  The gain was set at 61.8db both for th=
e recording and for the noise sample as I felt this needed to be exactly th=
e same for both.
>
> Here is the comparison sample:
>
> http://m57.net/downloads/sfp/warblertest.mp3
>








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