Hum, it may be that I'll want 2 recorders since I want to walk around to get
sounds
(stealth, conversations, interviews...).
as for the installation.
--- In Rob Danielson <> wrote:
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> Hi Lily-- My simple answer is: Mics can matter much more than
> recorders. Before we get into what mics and stereo rigs might work
> well for you and then the recorder question you pose,.. Are you using
> very high quality speakers in your installation? Describe the
> speakers, amps and surfaces, size of room, HVAC (acoustics) of the
> room the installation will be in.
> .
> Do you want the playback of the recording to be as "real" as
> possible? Describe some other settings you want to record in addition
> to, "a field of tall grasses." Also your recording gear budget: How
> about $1400 for sure-fire, low-noise, spacious recordings? If not,
> how about $420? Do you might carrying and setting up tripods and
> cables-- that sort of thing? Rob D.
>
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> At 9:45 PM +0000 7/6/08, lilyplants wrote:
> >Rob, thank you for responding to my question.
> >
> >After reading/listening to everything on the site including all the
> >reviews and uploaded
> >recordings, I have further questions.
> >- should I return the LS-10
> >- buy the Sony PCM D-50 to try
> >- wait for a light wt. point and shoot with warm sound
> >- consider something I'm missing (don't want to buy pre amps.. new
> >mic would be fine)
> >
> >It seems to me that the LS-10, although I LOVE the unit, won't
> >provide the kind of
> >recording I want.
> >
> >the naturerecordists emphasize the Olympus LS-10 over the Sony PCM
> >D-50 (is that for
> >wt. and stealth only? or are you more concerned with isolating
> >sounds than a sound
> >environment?
> >
> >Before I return the LS. I really need some feedback on the recorders
> >considering my needs.
> >
> >I want to do a variety of ambient sounds as well as music. For
> >example, the sound of a
> >field of tall grasses for a sound installation; groups of people in
> >an urban environment. Goal: a you are there feeling which involves.
> >
> >last night I recorded music from a DJ with people dancing in a room.
> >the LS is supposed to have quiet mic pre amps but I could hear an
> >airy sound over the
> >music and people which I could not hear with my Sony MD MZ-100.
> >the LS sounded too tiny to listen to with low cut on.
> >however, using its internal mics, the LS gave nice separation
> >between music and people. I
> >don't know if that was because of the binaural mics for the recorders.
> >
> >I very much appreciate hearing from this wonderful group before
> >making a decision.
> >lily
> >
> >(I've tried to post a rich text message two times as a reply from
> >Yahoo to Rob's message in
> >the thread. my new message didn't show up. what's the problem? We do
> >need to post
> >from Yahoo don't we?)
> >
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> ><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Rob Danielson <type@> wrote:
> >>
> >> At 3:48 AM +0000 7/5/08, lilyplants wrote:
> >> >I ordered the Olympus LS-10 thinking it would be much easier to use
> >> >than my MD Sony
> >> >MZM100 with soundprofessional binaural mics. It is.
> >> >
> >> >But it doesn't seem sensitive enough (okay with on high sen, 24,
> >> >limiter on and clip off).
> >> >
> >> >I want it to sound as good as possible with ambient and music. The
> >> >Japanese warbler is much
> >> >better recording than I have achieved.
> >> >
> >> >What really confuses me are the sound samples. Those Sony PCM D-50 on the
> >> >Wingfieldaudio.com site are moving (more overtones). The choir
> >> >sample of the LS is fatiquing
> >> >and uninteresting. YET the samples provides on this site show both
> >> >to be noisy although not
> >> >as noisy as the R09 (can't remember who did them (4 "point and
> >> >shoot" recorders).
> >> >
> >> >How does one account for these differences.
> >> >and Can one achieve better results with one of these recorders
> >>over the other?
> >> >
> >> >I'm new to ambient recording. Thank you for your help.
> >> >lily
> >>
> >> Hi Lily--
> >> The "hi-sensitivity" setting does make make good sense for ambience
> >> recording. Maybe turn the Limiter off? Someone who owns an LS-10
> >> might be able to post the settings checklist they follow for
> >> recording quieter sounds and settings. Close-mic'd music should
> >> produce sufficient sound levels to work with.
> > >
> >> As for improving the performance of the LS-10, I'd definitely follow
> > > Vicki's recent comparison tests and suggestions including using Shure
> >> WL183 external mics. Other recordists have been posting recordings
> >> with comments. Here's a search of "LS-10" in the list archive:
> >> <http://tinyurl.com/5bwupr>http://tinyurl.com/5bwupr Raimund's
> >>suggestion of using external
> >> mics with low self-noise and very high sensitivity is a good one
> >> though there aren't too many mics to recommend that meet these specs
> >> that are well-suited for recording ambience.
> >>
> >> In interpreting the samples provided in the review web sites, look
> >> for tests done in the field using high gain (and preferably with
> >> specified condenser mics, if external mics are used). Most of the
> >> conditions I've come across to date are not similar to those found in
> >> nature recording so they are not a very good indicators of the
> >> performance you might get. Rob D.
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