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Re: Recording Gear For Installation (was Olympus LS-10 and S

Subject: Re: Recording Gear For Installation (was Olympus LS-10 and S
From: "lilyplants" lilyplants
Date: Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:21 am ((PDT))
Hum, it may be that I'll want 2 recorders since I want to walk around to get 
sounds 
(stealth, conversations, interviews...). 



as for the installation. 


--- In  Rob Danielson <> wrote:
>
> Hi Lily-- My simple answer is: Mics can matter much more than 
> recorders. Before we get into what mics and stereo rigs might work 
> well for you and then the recorder question you pose,.. Are you using 
> very high quality speakers in your installation?  Describe the 
> speakers, amps and surfaces, size of room, HVAC (acoustics) of the 
> room the installation will be in.
> .
> Do you want the  playback of the recording to be as "real" as 
> possible? Describe some other settings you want to record in addition 
> to, "a field of tall grasses." Also your recording gear budget: How 
> about $1400 for sure-fire, low-noise, spacious recordings? If not, 
> how about $420?  Do you might carrying and setting up tripods and 
> cables-- that sort of thing? Rob D.
> 
>   = = = =
> 
> At 9:45 PM +0000 7/6/08, lilyplants wrote:
> >Rob, thank you for responding to my question.
> >
> >After reading/listening to everything on the site including all the 
> >reviews and uploaded
> >recordings, I have further questions.
> >- should I return the LS-10
> >- buy the Sony PCM D-50 to try
> >- wait for a light wt. point and shoot with warm sound
> >- consider something I'm missing (don't want to buy pre amps.. new 
> >mic would be fine)
> >
> >It seems to me that the LS-10, although I LOVE the unit, won't 
> >provide the kind of
> >recording I want.
> >
> >the naturerecordists emphasize the Olympus LS-10 over the Sony PCM 
> >D-50 (is that for
> >wt. and stealth only? or are you more concerned with isolating 
> >sounds than a sound
> >environment?
> >
> >Before I return the LS. I really need some feedback on the recorders 
> >considering my needs.
> >
> >I want to do a variety of ambient sounds as well as music. For 
> >example, the sound of a
> >field of tall grasses for a sound installation; groups of people in 
> >an urban environment. Goal: a you are there feeling which involves.
> >
> >last night I recorded music from a DJ with people dancing in a room.
> >the LS is supposed to have quiet mic pre amps but I could hear an 
> >airy sound over the
> >music and people which I could not hear with my Sony MD MZ-100.
> >the LS sounded too tiny to listen to with low cut on.
> >however, using its internal mics, the LS gave nice separation 
> >between music and people. I
> >don't know if that was because of the binaural mics for the recorders.
> >
> >I very much appreciate hearing from this wonderful group before 
> >making a decision.
> >lily
> >
> >(I've tried to post a rich text message two times as a reply from 
> >Yahoo to Rob's message in
> >the thread. my new message didn't show up. what's the problem? We do 
> >need to post
> >from Yahoo don't we?)
> >
> >--- In 
> ><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >Rob Danielson <type@> wrote:
> >>
> >>  At 3:48 AM +0000 7/5/08, lilyplants wrote:
> >>  >I ordered the Olympus LS-10 thinking it would be much easier to use
> >>  >than my MD Sony
> >>  >MZM100 with soundprofessional binaural mics. It is.
> >>  >
> >>  >But it doesn't seem sensitive enough (okay with on high sen, 24,
> >>  >limiter on and clip off).
> >>  >
> >>  >I want it to sound as good as possible with ambient and music. The
> >>  >Japanese warbler is much
> >>  >better recording than I have achieved.
> >>  >
> >>  >What really confuses me are the sound samples. Those Sony PCM D-50 on the
> >>  >Wingfieldaudio.com site are moving (more overtones). The choir
> >>  >sample of the LS is fatiquing
> >>  >and uninteresting. YET the samples provides on this site show both
> >>  >to be noisy although not
> >>  >as noisy as the R09 (can't remember who did them (4 "point and
> >>  >shoot" recorders).
> >>  >
> >>  >How does one account for these differences.
> >>  >and Can one achieve better results with one of these recorders 
> >>over the other?
> >>  >
> >>  >I'm new to ambient recording. Thank you for your help.
> >>  >lily
> >>
> >>  Hi Lily--
> >>  The "hi-sensitivity" setting does make make good sense for ambience
> >>  recording. Maybe turn the Limiter off? Someone who owns an LS-10
> >>  might be able to post the settings checklist they follow for
> >>  recording quieter sounds and settings. Close-mic'd music should
> >>  produce sufficient sound levels to work with.
> >  >
> >>  As for improving the performance of the LS-10, I'd definitely follow
> >  > Vicki's recent comparison tests and suggestions including using Shure
> >>  WL183 external mics. Other recordists have been posting recordings
> >>  with comments. Here's a search of "LS-10" in the list archive:
> >>  <http://tinyurl.com/5bwupr>http://tinyurl.com/5bwupr Raimund's 
> >>suggestion of using external
> >>  mics with low self-noise and very high sensitivity is a good one
> >>  though there aren't too many mics to recommend that meet these specs
> >>  that are well-suited for recording ambience.
> >>
> >>  In interpreting the samples provided in the review web sites, look
> >>  for tests done in the field using high gain (and preferably with
> >>  specified condenser mics, if external mics are used). Most of the
> >>  conditions I've come across to date are not similar to those found in
> >>  nature recording so they are not a very good indicators of the
> >>  performance you might get. Rob D.
> >>
> >>  --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
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