Well, the two rigs I have are an MS Schoeps with an MK41 center and
MK8 side, and a Senn MS with an MKH50 center and MKH30 side. So both
my rigs are 'hypercardiod' center MS, so it should be an interesting
side by side test.
I'll post some samples when I get back in a few days.
On May 21, 2007, at 9:16 AM, evs wrote:
> oh, you are right, they have a little bit more noise... interesting,
> i must have overseen it.
>
> i think comparing schoeps to the mkh30/40 is a good comparison, as
> they are similar in price.
> and i have to say, i compared 2 neumann km140 against two mkh40.
> the result was very clear.
> forget the neumann mic for really quiet recordings, they are WAY too
> noisy.
> you won=B4t get too happy trying to record some quiet ambiance with
> those mics..
> (but thats nothing new for you nature recording folks...:-))
>
> Am 21.05.2007 um 17:30 schrieb Walter Knapp:
>
> > Posted by: "Tim Nielsen"
> > >
> > > True, the cardiods and hyper are definitely quieter and more gain.
> >
> > Read the specs...
> >
> > > The Schoeps MS and the Senn MKH MS at the same settings recorder
> > wise
> > > (preamp gain), am curious just how the 'numbers' of sensitivity
> and
> > > self-noise translate into listening experience.
> >
> > You will find there is a difference between the MKH-30 and MKH-40
> at a
> > fixed gain setting. But what's the point of using a fixed gain? Set
> > the
> > gain for optimum recording for each mic and see what you get.
> >
> > > I've never ran them side by side that way, am curious. If I get
> > > anything enlightening, I'll post it for others to hear.
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 20, 2007, at 9:27 AM, evs wrote:
> > >
> > >> But the Self noise from the cardioids is MUCH much more quieter
> > than
> > >> the schoeps. and much (only one much:-)) than the old mkh.
> > >>
> > >> If they will discontinue the mkh 20, 40 and 50?
> >
> > One can hope that they don't discontinue the 40 & 50. Did you folks
> > read
> > the specs? I don't doubt the comment about the schoeps, but the
> specs
> > on the new mics tell the opposite story vs the older MKH. The new
> MKH
> > 8040 & 8050 are one dBA louder self noise than the MKH 40 & 50, not
> > quieter. Thats a small difference, but it's in the wrong direction.
> > There is a much more significant change in the sensitivity, again
> > in the
> > wrong direction, the new ones are less sensitive than the older. The
> > combination of the change in sensitivity and self noise will mean
> > these
> > mics limit out in how quiet a ambiance than the older MKH 40 & 50,
> > and/or how much reach in distance they have. Of course we don't
> > know how
> > they will sound, but it would have to be awfully good to overcome
> > those
> > changes.
> >
> > The 8020 is the only one of the three that's actually improved. Self
> > noise is the same as the MKH-20, but the sensitivity is distinctly
> > improved. This will mean that it should be able to record even
> quieter
> > ambiance, or the same ambiance from farther away than the MKH-20.
> >
> > Schoeps is well liked in certain circles, but pretty marginal for
> > nature
> > recording. It much prefers to be in a studio recording music. If you
> > want to test it for nature recording get it out in all kinds of
> > environmental conditions. Comparing it to the MKH 40 M/S is
> comparing
> > to the low end of the MKH in my opinion. Try a MKH 80 pair in M/S
> > against it.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> >
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