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Re: Modified Climate change debate?

Subject: Re: Modified Climate change debate?
From: "Mark R." seoulgypsy
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:29 pm ((PST))
Wow! Bernie...talk about buying the world a coke. I hear almost everyday
here in S, Korea about the amount of time these people work, but damned if =
I
can find a clean street or building anywhere! Maybe that time off would
allow them to do a little country cleaning.

Mother nature is tapping us on the shoulder pretty hard right now. I just
hope she doesn't just decide to shake us off like a bunch of fleas while we
argue over poor little ole oil companies and their fragile delicate
sensibilities. After all the commercials they have made about how much they
care, you would think some things would have changed by now.


Okay.. back to my little corner of the far east. I will be quiet now....

Mark

On 2/23/07, Wild Sanctuary <> wrote:
>
>   wonderful idea, Klas. Then we can offer those suffering from NDD
> (Nature Deficit Disorder) into the field to listen to natural
> soundscapes during their time off giving them a chance to heal from
> all the incredible noise around them.
>
> Bernie
>
>
> >not being PC....
> >
> >Why not start worldwide negotiations about a global law that no
> >people are allowed to work more than 4 days a week. That would
> >drastically lower the CO2 and give people an extra day off....
> >That would be something!
> >
> >Then finding out which areas of US that will come under water and
> >start moving people.
> >That would be something.
> >
> >If that happens, I promise to stop burning wood in my kitchen stove
> >and buy a smaller car.
> >
> >Klas.
> >
> >At 21:37 2007-02-22, you wrote:
> >>The thing is Klas I'm on the same lines as you, unfortunately we live i=
n
> a
> >>PC world now and healthy debates don't seem to exist and when they do
> them
> >>become nasty. What I don't want to do is moderate that behavior and sit
> >>around like I'm in kindergarten. I donate much of my time to the
> environment
> >>because I treasure it so much, I have seen changes to this planet on an
> >>alarming rate over the last 40 years and it sickens me to what we are
> doing
> >>to Mother Nature. I have recorded biomes that no longer exist (audibly)
> and
> >>most because of habitat loss. I went to the Yucatan to record the sound=
s
> >>after the last big hurricane Isabel and the effects these cyclones have
> on
> >>other areas. My passion is the critters of this planet and recording
> nature
> >>is my way of showing the rest of the world what we have and how to keep
> it
> >>that way. What we have in this group are a great deal of dedicated
> people
> >>who also share my love for the environment but we can't solve it here,
> we
> >>can direct it to the powers that be. You wouldn't believe the bickering
> that
> >>goes on behind the scenes and I get many e-mails complaining about who
> said
> >>what! Most of the time I let it go because like you, I'm a million mile=
s
> >>away from being PC, I call a spade a spade. There is a delete key for
> those
> >>who do not care to read half the stuff that is posted but there are
> those
> >>who choose to read it then complain to me. Like the switch on the TV
> set, we
> >>can always change the channel or turn it off but you wouldn't believe
> the
> >>amount of people who choose to bitch instead.
> >>
> >>I hate to do this because I feel it is healthy to debate and if you kno=
w
> me
> >>by now you would agree half the time I couldn't give a crap. But I see
> some
> >>tempers starting to fray now and its time to stand in like the
> headmaster!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I long for the days when we can get back to being honest with each othe=
r
> and
> >>allow opinions to be what they were intended to be. I fought hand in
> tooth
> >>about DDT and other chemicals out there, many so called scientists
> >>disclaimed that theory because they were working for the pesticide
> >>companies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>There is another group that I moderate and it's a spin off from the
> >>naturerecordist group,
> >>
> >>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Naturesound/?yguid=3D156767717
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>that group you can fight and kick in it, you are welcome to join but al=
l
> I
> >>ask is get this off this thread and back on to recording nature.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I totally respect you Klas and consider you a valuable contributor to
> this
> >>group and I hope a friend. And you make bloody good microphones :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks for the understanding.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Martyn
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>Martyn Stewart
> >>
> >>Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >>
> >>http://www.naturesound.org
> >>
> > >Redmond. Washington. USA
> >>
> >>N47.65543 W121.98428
> >>
> >>e-mail:  <mstew%40naturesound.org>
> >>
> >>Tel: 425-898-0462
> >>
> >>Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >>
> >>*****************************************
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>From: <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.c=
om>
> >><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups=
.com>]
> On Behalf Of Klas Strandberg
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:58 AM
> >>To: <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com=
>
> >>Subject: [Nature Recordists] Modified Climate change debate?
> > >
> >>
> >>
> >>Yes, Martyn, this is painful. Embarrassing. All the time. Every day.
> >>
> >>Over here, it's not possible to listen one single day to any serious
> >>media, without having something about climate change stuffed down
> >>your throat. Some is stupid, some is true, but how to know what is
> what??
> >>In the same time, do you and I actually believe that silence is the
> >>solution? I don't think so.
> >>
> >>I remember 50 years ago, when birders claimed that the shelf of
> >>falcon eggs were too thin cause of some chemicals. It didn't take
> >>much of open discussion before DDT was discovered and removed from
> >>the fields. So why is the same discussion so impossible now?? It's
> >>the same discussion, just enormously bigger!?
> >>
> >>I blame PC and the PC people.
> >>I have just recently read a lot of magazines from the thirties,
> >>discussing homosexuality and crime. It's a terrible debate, but
> >>amazingly open! No PC! It seems as if any author could write as he
> >>liked, as long as he first declared his Honor to God, the King and
> >>the Swedish nation.
> >>And some reading I have done on scientists and their lives in the old
> >>age, tells about university professors that actually planned to
> >>murder the competitor.
> >>
> >>So what is PC??
> >>Here was a poor biologist who, in the radio, claimed that the salmons
> >>were healthier the closer they lived to the Baltic countries, where
> >>the water is most polluted! Poor guy! As he made a summary of his
> >>research, he literarily begged for mercy!
> >>So what was he saying? Was he saying that it is okay to pollute the
> >>Baltic Sea? No, he wasn't. He was saying that when looking for a
> >>reason why salmons get sick, we have to look for some other cause
> >>than the known pollution which were studied.
> >>And as he was saying that, he almost shit in his pants.....
> >>
> >>I don't know if this list is the right one for the climate
> >>discussion. At my level, I have hints that their is a lot of good
> >>bioacoustic research on bird-migration paths, but no global central
> >>for this research, collecting the data, interpreting and making
> >>summaries. Can such data help in finding out about global warming? I
> >>don't know, but I think so. Just as we discovered DDT from data about
> >>falcon's eggs.
> >>And I know that some new things are going on at the themes of
> >>migration and spread of diseases.
> >>So there might be a bridge between the "big" topics and the small ones.
> >>
> >>There is no other solution than a million of ideas.
> >>
> >>Klas.
> >>
> >>At 18:53 2007-02-22, you wrote:
> >> >As I stated in my last e-mail, this has now got to stop, I will give
> you
> >>the
> >> >benefit of not reading my post before you sent this one.
> >> >
> >> >Gentlemen and ladies, NO MORE...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Martyn
> >> >
> >> >****************************************
> >> >
> >> >Martyn Stewart
> >> >
> >> >Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.natureso <http://www.naturesound.org> und.org
> >> >
> >> >Redmond. Washington. USA
> >> >
> >> >N47.65543 W121.98428
> >> >
> >> >e-mail:  <mstew% <mstew%25>40naturesound.org=
>
> org
> >> >
> >> >Tel: 425-898-0462
> >> >
> >> >Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >> >
> >> >*****************************************
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> >From: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>yahoogroups.com
> >> >[naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpbeale
> >> >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:47 AM
> >> >To: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Climate change and human connections
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Walter, I have attempted to summarize some of your points.
> >> >Do these accurately describe your position?
> >> >
> > > >1) Human activity cannot have as much of an effect on the environmen=
t
> >> >as the IPCC (WMO/UNEP) Climate Change 2007 report suggests they have.
> >> >
> >> >2) Humans want to think they are influencing climate because they hav=
e
> >> >a big ego.
> >> >
> >> >3) Conservative Christians want to believe in global warming because
> >> >it agrees with the bible.
> >> >
> >> >4) You have observed problems with some computer models in the past,
> >> >and therefore this report is wrong.
> > > >
> >> >5) This report takes things on faith, and is not good science.
> >> >
> >> >6) You have not read the report.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >> >A listening room is not nature."
> >> >Klas Strandberg
> >> >Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp;
> communities.
> >>Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >>email:  <telinga% <telinga%25>40bahnhof.se> se
> >>website: www.telinga.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>A listening room is not nature."
> >>Klas Strandberg
> >>Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp; communities.
> Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >email:  <telinga%40bahnhof.se>
> >website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &amp; communities.
> Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> P. O. Box 536
> Glen Ellen, CA 95442
> t. 707-996-6677
> f. 707-996-0280
> http://www.wildsanctuary.com
>
>
>



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