wonderful idea, Klas. Then we can offer those suffering from NDD
(Nature Deficit Disorder) into the field to listen to natural
soundscapes during their time off giving them a chance to heal from
all the incredible noise around them.
Bernie
>not being PC....
>
>Why not start worldwide negotiations about a global law that no
>people are allowed to work more than 4 days a week. That would
>drastically lower the CO2 and give people an extra day off....
>That would be something!
>
>Then finding out which areas of US that will come under water and
>start moving people.
>That would be something.
>
>If that happens, I promise to stop burning wood in my kitchen stove
>and buy a smaller car.
>
>Klas.
>
>At 21:37 2007-02-22, you wrote:
>>The thing is Klas I'm on the same lines as you, unfortunately we live in =
a
>>PC world now and healthy debates don't seem to exist and when they do the=
m
>>become nasty. What I don't want to do is moderate that behavior and sit
>>around like I'm in kindergarten. I donate much of my time to the environm=
ent
>>because I treasure it so much, I have seen changes to this planet on an
>>alarming rate over the last 40 years and it sickens me to what we are doi=
ng
>>to Mother Nature. I have recorded biomes that no longer exist (audibly) a=
nd
>>most because of habitat loss. I went to the Yucatan to record the sounds
>>after the last big hurricane Isabel and the effects these cyclones have o=
n
>>other areas. My passion is the critters of this planet and recording natu=
re
>>is my way of showing the rest of the world what we have and how to keep i=
t
>>that way. What we have in this group are a great deal of dedicated people
>>who also share my love for the environment but we can't solve it here, we
>>can direct it to the powers that be. You wouldn't believe the bickering t=
hat
>>goes on behind the scenes and I get many e-mails complaining about who sa=
id
>>what! Most of the time I let it go because like you, I'm a million miles
>>away from being PC, I call a spade a spade. There is a delete key for tho=
se
>>who do not care to read half the stuff that is posted but there are those
>>who choose to read it then complain to me. Like the switch on the TV set,=
we
>>can always change the channel or turn it off but you wouldn't believe the
>>amount of people who choose to bitch instead.
>>
>>I hate to do this because I feel it is healthy to debate and if you know =
me
>>by now you would agree half the time I couldn't give a crap. But I see so=
me
>>tempers starting to fray now and its time to stand in like the headmaster=
!!
>>
>>
>>
>>I long for the days when we can get back to being honest with each other =
and
>>allow opinions to be what they were intended to be. I fought hand in toot=
h
>>about DDT and other chemicals out there, many so called scientists
>>disclaimed that theory because they were working for the pesticide
>>companies.
>>
>>
>>
>>There is another group that I moderate and it's a spin off from the
>>naturerecordist group,
>>
>>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Naturesound/?yguid=3D156767717
>>
>>
>>
>>that group you can fight and kick in it, you are welcome to join but all =
I
>>ask is get this off this thread and back on to recording nature.
>>
>>
>>
>>I totally respect you Klas and consider you a valuable contributor to thi=
s
>>group and I hope a friend. And you make bloody good microphones :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the understanding.
>>
>>
>>
>>Martyn
>>
>>****************************************
>>
>>Martyn Stewart
>>
>>Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
>>
>>http://www.naturesound.org
>>
> >Redmond. Washington. USA
>>
>>N47.65543 W121.98428
>>
>>e-mail:
>>
>>Tel: 425-898-0462
>>
>>Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
>>
>>*****************************************
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From:
>> On Behalf Of Klas Strandberg
>>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:58 AM
>>To:
>>Subject: [Nature Recordists] Modified Climate change debate?
> >
>>
>>
>>Yes, Martyn, this is painful. Embarrassing. All the time. Every day.
>>
>>Over here, it's not possible to listen one single day to any serious
>>media, without having something about climate change stuffed down
>>your throat. Some is stupid, some is true, but how to know what is what??
>>In the same time, do you and I actually believe that silence is the
>>solution? I don't think so.
>>
>>I remember 50 years ago, when birders claimed that the shelf of
>>falcon eggs were too thin cause of some chemicals. It didn't take
>>much of open discussion before DDT was discovered and removed from
>>the fields. So why is the same discussion so impossible now?? It's
>>the same discussion, just enormously bigger!?
>>
>>I blame PC and the PC people.
>>I have just recently read a lot of magazines from the thirties,
>>discussing homosexuality and crime. It's a terrible debate, but
>>amazingly open! No PC! It seems as if any author could write as he
>>liked, as long as he first declared his Honor to God, the King and
>>the Swedish nation.
>>And some reading I have done on scientists and their lives in the old
>>age, tells about university professors that actually planned to
>>murder the competitor.
>>
>>So what is PC??
>>Here was a poor biologist who, in the radio, claimed that the salmons
>>were healthier the closer they lived to the Baltic countries, where
>>the water is most polluted! Poor guy! As he made a summary of his
>>research, he literarily begged for mercy!
>>So what was he saying? Was he saying that it is okay to pollute the
>>Baltic Sea? No, he wasn't. He was saying that when looking for a
>>reason why salmons get sick, we have to look for some other cause
>>than the known pollution which were studied.
>>And as he was saying that, he almost shit in his pants.....
>>
>>I don't know if this list is the right one for the climate
>>discussion. At my level, I have hints that their is a lot of good
>>bioacoustic research on bird-migration paths, but no global central
>>for this research, collecting the data, interpreting and making
>>summaries. Can such data help in finding out about global warming? I
>>don't know, but I think so. Just as we discovered DDT from data about
>>falcon's eggs.
>>And I know that some new things are going on at the themes of
>>migration and spread of diseases.
>>So there might be a bridge between the "big" topics and the small ones.
>>
>>There is no other solution than a million of ideas.
>>
>>Klas.
>>
>>At 18:53 2007-02-22, you wrote:
>> >As I stated in my last e-mail, this has now got to stop, I will give y=
ou
>>the
>> >benefit of not reading my post before you sent this one.
>> >
>> >Gentlemen and ladies, NO MORE...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Martyn
>> >
>> >****************************************
>> >
>> >Martyn Stewart
>> >
>> >Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
>> >
>> >http://www.natureso <http://www.naturesound.org> und.org
>> >
>> >Redmond. Washington. USA
>> >
>> >N47.65543 W121.98428
>> >
>> >e-mail: <mstew%40naturesound.org> org
>> >
>> >Tel: 425-898-0462
>> >
>> >Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
>> >
>> >*****************************************
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> >From: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
>>yahoogroups.com
>> >[naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
>>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpbeale
>> >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:47 AM
>> >To: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
>>yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Climate change and human connections
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Walter, I have attempted to summarize some of your points.
>> >Do these accurately describe your position?
>> >
> > >1) Human activity cannot have as much of an effect on the environment
>> >as the IPCC (WMO/UNEP) Climate Change 2007 report suggests they have.
>> >
>> >2) Humans want to think they are influencing climate because they have
>> >a big ego.
>> >
>> >3) Conservative Christians want to believe in global warming because
>> >it agrees with the bible.
>> >
>> >4) You have observed problems with some computer models in the past,
>> >and therefore this report is wrong.
> > >
>> >5) This report takes things on faith, and is not good science.
>> >
>> >6) You have not read the report.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Microphones are not ears,
>> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
>> >A listening room is not nature."
>> >Klas Strandberg
>> >Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities=
.
>>Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>>email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se> se
>>website: www.telinga.com
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>>
>>"Microphones are not ears,
>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>>A listening room is not nature."
>>Klas Strandberg
>>Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. L=
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>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
>email:
>website: www.telinga.com
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>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. Li=
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