Before that happens, NDD people are welcome to my place.
Tonight the sky is clear, temp. around -18, (0,4F) - totally silent.
A tiny moon is shining and millions of mini-mirrors on the ground are
reflecting it all .... to me...
Klas.
At 00:58 2007-02-23, you wrote:
>wonderful idea, Klas. Then we can offer those suffering from NDD
>(Nature Deficit Disorder) into the field to listen to natural
>soundscapes during their time off giving them a chance to heal from
>all the incredible noise around them.
>
>Bernie
>
> >not being PC....
> >
> >Why not start worldwide negotiations about a global law that no
> >people are allowed to work more than 4 days a week. That would
> >drastically lower the CO2 and give people an extra day off....
> >That would be something!
> >
> >Then finding out which areas of US that will come under water and
> >start moving people.
> >That would be something.
> >
> >If that happens, I promise to stop burning wood in my kitchen stove
> >and buy a smaller car.
> >
> >Klas.
> >
> >At 21:37 2007-02-22, you wrote:
> >>The thing is Klas I'm on the same lines as you, unfortunately we live i=
n a
> >>PC world now and healthy debates don't seem to exist and when they do t=
hem
> >>become nasty. What I don't want to do is moderate that behavior and sit
> >>around like I'm in kindergarten. I donate much of my time to the
> environment
> >>because I treasure it so much, I have seen changes to this planet on an
> >>alarming rate over the last 40 years and it sickens me to what we are d=
oing
> >>to Mother Nature. I have recorded biomes that no longer exist (audibly)=
and
> >>most because of habitat loss. I went to the Yucatan to record the sound=
s
> >>after the last big hurricane Isabel and the effects these cyclones have=
on
> >>other areas. My passion is the critters of this planet and recording na=
ture
> >>is my way of showing the rest of the world what we have and how to keep=
it
> >>that way. What we have in this group are a great deal of dedicated peop=
le
> >>who also share my love for the environment but we can't solve it here, =
we
> >>can direct it to the powers that be. You wouldn't believe the
> bickering that
> >>goes on behind the scenes and I get many e-mails complaining about who =
said
> >>what! Most of the time I let it go because like you, I'm a million mile=
s
> >>away from being PC, I call a spade a spade. There is a delete key for t=
hose
> >>who do not care to read half the stuff that is posted but there are tho=
se
> >>who choose to read it then complain to me. Like the switch on the
> TV set, we
> >>can always change the channel or turn it off but you wouldn't believe t=
he
> >>amount of people who choose to bitch instead.
> >>
> >>I hate to do this because I feel it is healthy to debate and if you kno=
w me
> >>by now you would agree half the time I couldn't give a crap. But I see =
some
> >>tempers starting to fray now and its time to stand in like the headmast=
er!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I long for the days when we can get back to being honest with
> each other and
> >>allow opinions to be what they were intended to be. I fought hand in to=
oth
> >>about DDT and other chemicals out there, many so called scientists
> >>disclaimed that theory because they were working for the pesticide
> >>companies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>There is another group that I moderate and it's a spin off from the
> >>naturerecordist group,
> >>
> >>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Naturesound/?yguid=3D156767717
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>that group you can fight and kick in it, you are welcome to join but al=
l I
> >>ask is get this off this thread and back on to recording nature.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I totally respect you Klas and consider you a valuable contributor to t=
his
> >>group and I hope a friend. And you make bloody good microphones :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks for the understanding.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Martyn
> >>
> >>****************************************
> >>
> >>Martyn Stewart
> >>
> >>Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >>
> >>http://www.naturesound.org
> >>
> > >Redmond. Washington. USA
> >>
> >>N47.65543 W121.98428
> >>
> >>e-mail:
> >>
> >>Tel: 425-898-0462
> >>
> >>Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >>
> >>*****************************************
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>From:
> >> On Behalf Of Klas Strandberg
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:58 AM
> >>To:
> >>Subject: [Nature Recordists] Modified Climate change debate?
> > >
> >>
> >>
> >>Yes, Martyn, this is painful. Embarrassing. All the time. Every day.
> >>
> >>Over here, it's not possible to listen one single day to any serious
> >>media, without having something about climate change stuffed down
> >>your throat. Some is stupid, some is true, but how to know what is what=
??
> >>In the same time, do you and I actually believe that silence is the
> >>solution? I don't think so.
> >>
> >>I remember 50 years ago, when birders claimed that the shelf of
> >>falcon eggs were too thin cause of some chemicals. It didn't take
> >>much of open discussion before DDT was discovered and removed from
> >>the fields. So why is the same discussion so impossible now?? It's
> >>the same discussion, just enormously bigger!?
> >>
> >>I blame PC and the PC people.
> >>I have just recently read a lot of magazines from the thirties,
> >>discussing homosexuality and crime. It's a terrible debate, but
> >>amazingly open! No PC! It seems as if any author could write as he
> >>liked, as long as he first declared his Honor to God, the King and
> >>the Swedish nation.
> >>And some reading I have done on scientists and their lives in the old
> >>age, tells about university professors that actually planned to
> >>murder the competitor.
> >>
> >>So what is PC??
> >>Here was a poor biologist who, in the radio, claimed that the salmons
> >>were healthier the closer they lived to the Baltic countries, where
> >>the water is most polluted! Poor guy! As he made a summary of his
> >>research, he literarily begged for mercy!
> >>So what was he saying? Was he saying that it is okay to pollute the
> >>Baltic Sea? No, he wasn't. He was saying that when looking for a
> >>reason why salmons get sick, we have to look for some other cause
> >>than the known pollution which were studied.
> >>And as he was saying that, he almost shit in his pants.....
> >>
> >>I don't know if this list is the right one for the climate
> >>discussion. At my level, I have hints that their is a lot of good
> >>bioacoustic research on bird-migration paths, but no global central
> >>for this research, collecting the data, interpreting and making
> >>summaries. Can such data help in finding out about global warming? I
> >>don't know, but I think so. Just as we discovered DDT from data about
> >>falcon's eggs.
> >>And I know that some new things are going on at the themes of
> >>migration and spread of diseases.
> >>So there might be a bridge between the "big" topics and the small ones.
> >>
> >>There is no other solution than a million of ideas.
> >>
> >>Klas.
> >>
> >>At 18:53 2007-02-22, you wrote:
> >> >As I stated in my last e-mail, this has now got to stop, I will give=
you
> >>the
> >> >benefit of not reading my post before you sent this one.
> >> >
> >> >Gentlemen and ladies, NO MORE...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Martyn
> >> >
> >> >****************************************
> >> >
> >> >Martyn Stewart
> >> >
> >> >Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.natureso <http://www.naturesound.org> und.org
> >> >
> >> >Redmond. Washington. USA
> >> >
> >> >N47.65543 W121.98428
> >> >
> >> >e-mail: <mstew%40naturesound.org> org
> >> >
> >> >Tel: 425-898-0462
> >> >
> >> >Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >> >
> >> >*****************************************
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> >
> >> >From: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>yahoogroups.com
> >> >[naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com=
>
> >>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpbeale
> >> >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:47 AM
> >> >To: naturerecordists@ <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Climate change and human connection=
s
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Walter, I have attempted to summarize some of your points.
> >> >Do these accurately describe your position?
> >> >
> > > >1) Human activity cannot have as much of an effect on the environme=
nt
> >> >as the IPCC (WMO/UNEP) Climate Change 2007 report suggests they have=
.
> >> >
> >> >2) Humans want to think they are influencing climate because they ha=
ve
> >> >a big ego.
> >> >
> >> >3) Conservative Christians want to believe in global warming because
> >> >it agrees with the bible.
> >> >
> >> >4) You have observed problems with some computer models in the past,
> >> >and therefore this report is wrong.
> > > >
> >> >5) This report takes things on faith, and is not good science.
> >> >
> >> >6) You have not read the report.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >> >A listening room is not nature."
> >> >Klas Strandberg
> >> >Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communiti=
es.
> >>Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >>email: <telinga%40bahnhof.se> se
> >>website: www.telinga.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>A listening room is not nature."
> >>Klas Strandberg
> >>Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &
> communities. Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >email:
> >website: www.telinga.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums &
> communities. Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums & communities. Li=
nks
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>
>
>
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