Hi Rob
Thanks for all that info Rob, very useful stuff.
Phil
--- In Rob Danielson <> wrote:
>
> Hi Phil-
>
> re:
> http://tinyurl.com/y62fq2
> >.. OK to use straight into a Sony Hi-MD machine mic input for
atmosphere type
> >recordings?
>
> To the best of my knowledge, its a pretty safe bet that most of the
> electret mics like these are made-up from capsules that perform very
> similarly-- especially for the application you describe. It depends a
> bit on how much noise one can live with and how loud one want to play
> her/his recordings, but, generally speaking, small-packaged electret
> mics are challenged to perform as well (self-noise-wise) as the
> larger condenser mics we often discuss. Because many recordists
> prefer small rigs, whenever a new, small mic comes out that could
> have sunstantially lower self-noise, there is great interest. One
> need only consider the current discussion of Klas's new KSEM-23 ;-)
> which folks are hopeful will be among the better small, electret mic
> performers, if not at the top.
>
> I wasn't able to include Klas's mic in a recent test we did, but of
> the four, popular, electret mics I had on hand (Primo EM158,
> Panasonic WM-61A, Rapid 35-0190, and Shure WL-813 - all on HiMD PIP),
> the WL-183 seemed to have the edge. The 183 has ~21dB(A) self-noise.
> Enter "183" into the list archive like this
>
> http://tinyurl.com/vqm4y
>
> for a wealth of info about this mic. The 183's take some soldering
> and are~$200/pair or less.
> Klas is just getting the new PIP powered KSEM-23 mic out for folks to
> try. (Sorry, I didn't include any electret mic "triplets" like those
> Rich Peet, Tom Robinson and Richard have been making because they
> need another (simple) power supply which I didn't have handy.
> Someday, we'll do a thorough test of these electret options.)
>
> The noise "hit" going from a mic with lower self noise [like
> ~12dB(A)] self to one with ~21dB(A) self-noise is quite noticeable
> when recording with high gain in quiet locations-- but not nearly as
> much in loud locations.
>
> As for larger, condenser mic options, here's some background on the
> HiMD/AT3032 set-up as an intro to one or many budget angles:
> http://www.uwm.edu/~type/audio-reports/HiMD/index.htm. If you have
> more money to invest, there are many good mics to consider.
>
> There are many factors to consider and no field recording rig can
> satisfy them all. If you want to make a list of your priorities,
> folks can help your refine your choices. If you take some time to do
> the research, there are many great options today. There are also some
> "not-so-great" options to take a pass on. Good gear retains value,
> so even if you want to gamble and start-off with a considerable
> investment, selling it would be even cheaper than the cost of renting
> it a few times if you take care of it. Rob D.
>
> At 10:59 AM +0000 1/5/07, macmang4125 wrote:
> >Hi
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone has worked with the above mics and if so what
> >they thought of them? Are they fairly quiet mics and would they be OK
> >to use straight into a Sony Hi-MD machine mic input for atmosphere type
> >recordings?
> >
> >Link to mics:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHURCH-AUDIO-PRO-BINAURAL-MIC-4-
> >MINIDISC-MD-DAT-
> >MP3_W0QQitemZ260041137309QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rob Danielson
> Peck School of the Arts
> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> http://www.uwm.edu/~type/audio-art-tech-gallery/
>
>
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