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RE: Re: Playback - more evidence please

Subject: RE: Re: Playback - more evidence please
From: "Martyn Stewart" <>
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:05:12 -0800
Many people have given the detrimental effects of playback!

Let me tell you about my local Audubon:
Every year they have what is called "birdathon" what they do is raise money
for the local chapters by getting sponsors to back birders to find the most
species in 24 hours. I have been told by at least one dozen people that they
use tapes to call birds in so they can get a bigger list. Is this ethical?
What in the name of science is this beneficial for? How can we allow this
without setting some standards? We get users and abusers and as I have said
before, many of the new members join to increase their knowledge to record
birds for this purpose.
I have seen birds pulled out of their cover and expose themselves to
predation just so a bloody birder can count it using playback.
I think it was Barbra Beck on this list that also experienced the very same
thing.
On all old tapes there use to be a disclaimer about the use of playback in
the field. These days we have many more gadgets, the field remains the same
for the targeted species, they still have to worry about the possible threat
coming from the fictitious bird calling but now on a larger scale!
You have just read about the experiences from John Neville and Oryoki? 

Is it because you are part of Audubon that you are trying to justify
playback in the field?


Martyn

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-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Chuck B
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: Playback - more evidence please

Rich Peet wrote:

>I will still take an exception. There is a big difference between the
>tropics and the north and the effects of playback.  I can not explain
>Chuck who is far enough north to know better.  
>  
>
    Well why don't we assume that, ignorant provincial northerner though 
I may be, I have asked the question, "What are the detrimental effects?" 
Will I get an answer?

>All alternatives to playback in the north should be the mandiated 
>alternative.
>  
>
    What do you consider to be the alternatives?

>If it is the crazy position of the audobon that playback is a useful
>tool in the north than I will take it up with them and their members.
>  
>
    I'm unaware of any National Audubon Society position. Most birders 
use the ABA guide to ethical birding, if they use anything. IIRC Martyn 
was very down on his chapter, but my experience in SoCal is quite the 
opposite. I hear very little taping on Audubon field trips - very little 
and very infrequently. But, if you have something to say to Audubon, why 
can't you say it here?

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Chuck Bragg, Pacific Palisades, CA
Membership, Newsletter, Web manager
Santa Monica Bay Audubon Society
www.smbas.org
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