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RE: Re: recording owl vocalizations

Subject: RE: Re: recording owl vocalizations
From: "Martyn Stewart" <>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:39:32 -0700
OK, Time gentlemen please, let's get back on track; take your feud off line
please.
You both obviously have differences of opinion but not in a healthy way.
I don't want to keep reading "the war of the two worlds" here.

Martyn

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-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Rich Peet
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:01 PM
To: 
Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: recording owl vocalizations

--- In  Walter Knapp <> 
wrote:
....
> 
> 
> You owe no apology, least of all to the environmental firebrands 
that 
> are (unfortunately) part of this group. They tend to think that all 
> animals think and respond like humans. The truth is we don't know 
what 
> other species are thinking and have little information on the long 
term 
> response.

The day this list does not have "environmental firebrands" is the day 
the music will have died.

There is much clearer thought line that each emotion, thought, and 
response in an animal does exsist in man.  It takes a leap to get 
to "we will never know".

...

> I get the impression I'm the only one here who can read english.

Don't give yourself to much credit you have not convinced me.

 I read 
> yet again that what you have been doing as imitating the calls, not 
> playing back a recording. Is this correct? And how do you imitate 
their 
> call? Do you work on sounding the same as their call, or just do 
key 
> elements that you know will get a response?
> 
> I have a imitation of the Pine Barrens Treefrog, my own voice, sort 
of. 
> It works, but bears only a superficial resemblance to the actual 
call. 
> And, no, I won't repeat it in public. The Pine Barrens Treefrog 
range in 
> the southeast is primarily known through these methods as it's very 
> unlikely that you will see one, and their call pattern seems 
designed to 
> be overlooked. But they respond to our crude imitations very well. 
They 
> should be in Georgia, but there are only unconfirmed reports. It's 
going 
> to be a long search as the possible areas cover a lot of Georgia.
> 
> It took me 5 years to reconfirm the Brimley's Chorus Frog in 
Georgia, 
> Pine Barrens will probably take much longer if I'm successful at 
all.
> 
> > Results from my work show that there are areas that appear to be 
> > resistant to barred owl occupation. Yet nany of these areas have 
no 
> > protection from habitat removal. I am therefore working to get 
these 
> > areas protected so that the spotted owl may (hopefully) continue 
to 
> > be a resident species in SW Washington.
> 
> Perhaps better to say that some areas are not the preferred habitat 
for 
> barred owls. Obviously more research is needed on the habitat 
> preferences of the two species.

..
Actually not.



> 
> > I can understand why a recordist would be concerned about the use 
of 
> > playback. If there are better, non-invasive methods that could be 
> > effectively employed, we would all be highly interested. Again, I 
do 
> > not advocate the use of playback to record birdsong.
> 
> If for no other reason, it is fairly well known that the resulting 
calls 
> are not representative of the birds. Beyond that, the reasons are 
mostly 
> speculation. I don't advocate playback as I believe we should be 
> recording the natural calls.
> 
> > Rich, hybrids do not appear to be a problem. Their occurance is 
> > pretty rare, possibly due to initial colonization of an area by 
> > barred owls where barred owl mates are scarce. It is unlikely 
that a 
> > barred owl differentiates a spotted owl call from a barred owl 
call 
> > like we do, more likely that it recognizes a STRIX call. But 
where 
> > did you get the idea that the purpose is to advocate clearcutting 
> > forest? That is the exact opposite of what I believe.
> 
> Rich sometimes has trouble distinguishing between his imagination 
or 
> agenda and reality. One has to filter what he says as a result.

Yah, thanks.

> 
> Incidentally, I spent most of my youth at Washougal, WA. I have 
roamed 
> the forests you are working back then. I'm pretty sure I saw a 
spotted 
> owl but I was not really paying attention to owls. I came through 
the 
> area in May on my long western trip. I'm kind of glad to see that 
some 
> official recognition of the natural value of the Columbia River 
Gorge 
> has occurred. The expansion of population in the area since I last 
lived 
> there is enormous.

???

> 
> Walt
> 

Rich Peet
with imagination beyond reality
and an environmental firebrands that is (unfortunately) part of this 
group




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