--- In Walter Knapp <>
> You owe no apology, least of all to the environmental firebrands
> are (unfortunately) part of this group. They tend to think that all
> animals think and respond like humans. The truth is we don't know
> other species are thinking and have little information on the long
The day this list does not have "environmental firebrands" is the day
the music will have died.
There is much clearer thought line that each emotion, thought, and
response in an animal does exsist in man. It takes a leap to get
to "we will never know".
> I get the impression I'm the only one here who can read english.
Don't give yourself to much credit you have not convinced me.
> yet again that what you have been doing as imitating the calls, not
> playing back a recording. Is this correct? And how do you imitate
> call? Do you work on sounding the same as their call, or just do
> elements that you know will get a response?
> I have a imitation of the Pine Barrens Treefrog, my own voice, sort
> It works, but bears only a superficial resemblance to the actual
> And, no, I won't repeat it in public. The Pine Barrens Treefrog
> the southeast is primarily known through these methods as it's very
> unlikely that you will see one, and their call pattern seems
> be overlooked. But they respond to our crude imitations very well.
> should be in Georgia, but there are only unconfirmed reports. It's
> to be a long search as the possible areas cover a lot of Georgia.
> It took me 5 years to reconfirm the Brimley's Chorus Frog in
> Pine Barrens will probably take much longer if I'm successful at
> > Results from my work show that there are areas that appear to be
> > resistant to barred owl occupation. Yet nany of these areas have
> > protection from habitat removal. I am therefore working to get
> > areas protected so that the spotted owl may (hopefully) continue
> > be a resident species in SW Washington.
> Perhaps better to say that some areas are not the preferred habitat
> barred owls. Obviously more research is needed on the habitat
> preferences of the two species.
> > I can understand why a recordist would be concerned about the use
> > playback. If there are better, non-invasive methods that could be
> > effectively employed, we would all be highly interested. Again, I
> > not advocate the use of playback to record birdsong.
> If for no other reason, it is fairly well known that the resulting
> are not representative of the birds. Beyond that, the reasons are
> speculation. I don't advocate playback as I believe we should be
> recording the natural calls.
> > Rich, hybrids do not appear to be a problem. Their occurance is
> > pretty rare, possibly due to initial colonization of an area by
> > barred owls where barred owl mates are scarce. It is unlikely
> > barred owl differentiates a spotted owl call from a barred owl
> > like we do, more likely that it recognizes a STRIX call. But
> > did you get the idea that the purpose is to advocate clearcutting
> > forest? That is the exact opposite of what I believe.
> Rich sometimes has trouble distinguishing between his imagination
> agenda and reality. One has to filter what he says as a result.
> Incidentally, I spent most of my youth at Washougal, WA. I have
> the forests you are working back then. I'm pretty sure I saw a
> owl but I was not really paying attention to owls. I came through
> area in May on my long western trip. I'm kind of glad to see that
> official recognition of the natural value of the Columbia River
> has occurred. The expansion of population in the area since I last
> there is enormous.
with imagination beyond reality
and an environmental firebrands that is (unfortunately) part of this