I see nothing delicately put at all Horst and a self insult does not
make it ok to insult others.
Further I see no basis for Martyn to have concluded what Klas meant.
Mr. Lee's comment was not out of line and clearly was not crap.
Rich Peet
--- In Horst Flotow <>
wrote:
> Delicately put and diplomatically worded, Martyn. As a European (a
Kraut
> no less), I'm used to being described by and using these sorts of
> abbreviations for different people and they are not meant to be (or
used
> as) a derogatory term but rather a sort of familiar word. Everybody
> knows what they mean and doesn't get offended by them, in any case
you
> can just ignore them (and the speaker/writer) if you feel they
don't
> apply to you. Anyway, that's enough of a rant from me.
>
> Regards
>
> Horst
>
> Martyn Stewart wrote:
>
> >I think enough has been said on this matter and I reiterate, Klas
did not
> >mean anything derogatory, in Europe the term Jap is not racially
charged, we
> >look at things differently to the USA. The naturerecordist group is
> >universal and not just for America, if this matter was taken with
a pinch of
> >salt, nothing would have come from this, you are making a big deal
out of a
> >harmless statement, you are making mountains out of molehills!!
> >I resent someone telling me to behave accordingly, when did I
enter the
> >bloody classroom?
> >LET US KEEP THE GROUP STICKLY FOR NATURE RECORDING TOPICS.
> >Jim, I think you should intervene here before this weeks postings
are full
> >of this crap......
> >
> >Martyn
> >
> >Martyn Stewart
> >Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >http://www.naturesound.org
> >N47.65543 W121.98428
> >Redmond. Washington. USA
> >Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >
> >425-898-0462
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Jim Lee
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:01 PM
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Mic Terminology
> >>
> >>
> >>Sorry guys, but I am not going to let this go. No list of ethnic
slurs
> >>that I can find includes Scots and/or Aussies. All such lists
include
> >>"Jap." It is an ethnic slur pure and simple. To reduce such
things to
> >>"political correctness" is to do a disservice to a sincere quest
for a
> >>more accepting world. Perhaps Klas (amd maybe others) didn't
realize
> >>that the term is considered a slur by most people. Now I hope he
does
> >>and behaves accordingly.
> >>
> >>Peace
> >>Jim Lee
> >>
> >>Klas Strandberg wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks Martyn, I couldn't have found better words.
> >>>
> >>>Klas.
> >>>
> >>>At 01:17 2005-02-16, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>There are too many people sensitive now in this world I'm
afraid, I'm
> >>>>Scottish through and Through, born and bred there, I am
referred to as
> >>>>Scots, my wife is an Australian, she is referred to as an
Aussie, are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Japs
> >>
> >>
> >>>>not short for Japanese? I am sure Klas meant nothing derogatory
here;
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>let's
> >>
> >>
> >>>>not get this political correctness going too much here,
please!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>Martyn
> >>>>
> >>>>Martyn Stewart
> >>>>Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >>>>http://www.naturesound.org
> >>>>N47.65543 W121.98428
> >>>>Redmond. Washington. USA
> >>>>Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >>>>
> >>>>425-898-0462
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: Jim Lee
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:18 PM
> >>>>>To:
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Mic Terminology
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>To clarify; my response was an objection to Klas saying:
> >>>>>"The word "sensitivity" is also used by the Japs to describe
self
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>noise,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>instead of dbA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Consider: http://www.answers.com/jap
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Martyn Stewart wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>< Speaking of "sensitivity" . . . are you in some kind of
time warp?>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Martyn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Martyn Stewart
> >>>>>>Bird and Animal Sounds Digitally Recorded at:
> >>>>>>http://www.naturesound.org
> >>>>>>N47.65543 W121.98428
> >>>>>>Redmond. Washington. USA
> >>>>>>Make every Garden a wildlife Habitat!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>425-898-0462
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>><<<snip>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio
> >>>>>Forensic Audio, Group Facilitation,
> >>>>>Sound Art, Sculpture, Photography,
> >>>>>and Lighting Design.
> >>>>>http://www.bambooturtle.us/
> >>>>>919 682 5853
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Co-Curator: upstART Gallery
> >>>>>http://www.upstartgallery.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>>>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>>>>A listening room is not nature."
> >>>>>Klas Strandberg
> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>>>A listening room is not nature."
> >>>>Klas Strandberg
> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >>>S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >>>Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >>>email:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>>A listening room is not nature."
> >>>Klas Strandberg
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio
> >>Forensic Audio, Group Facilitation,
> >>Sound Art, Sculpture, Photography,
> >>and Lighting Design.
> >>http://www.bambooturtle.us/
> >>919 682 5853
> >>
> >>Co-Curator: upstART Gallery
> >>http://www.upstartgallery.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>A listening room is not nature."
> >>Klas Strandberg
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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