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Facebook Groups for birding - time for a rethink?

To: Peter Shute <>
Subject: Facebook Groups for birding - time for a rethink?
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:54:56 +1100
>From their "About" page:

It is the policy of CloudBirders to only store external links to trip
reports, unless they have been offered to us by (or with consent from) the
author of the trip report, in which case we will host (a copy of) the trip
report on CloudBirders as well. We will not rip content from websites and
present it as our own, and we provide full visibility as to where the
content that we provide access to is hosted.

On 22 March 2018 at 14:26, Peter Shute <> wrote:

> I just had a look at a few reports on cloudbirders.com, and some aren't
> hosted on that website. What's going on there?
>
> Peter Shute
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf
> > Of Joshua Bergmark
> > Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2018 12:03 PM
> > To: Birding-Aus <>
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Facebook Groups for birding - time for a
> rethink?
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I won't go in to the Facebook debate, but I want to bring the website
> > cloudbirders.com to the attention of everyone.
> >
> > Cloudbirders has ultimately become the number one source of archived
> > birding information in the world, and people would do well to upload trip
> > reports to the website. Things cannot get lost there. It is now
> well-used over
> > most of the planet by a large proportion of world birders, however
> Australian
> > reports are generally lacking. It is essentially equivalent to a
> worldwide BA
> > archive of trip reports.
> >
> > I'd love to see more people using it, especially those who are worried
> that
> > the good old days of comprehensive trip reports are gone. Have a look at
> the
> > website and you'll see this is far from the truth.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 10:21, Jason Polak <> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I'd like to share that I remember when Facebook first came out as a
> > > company to the general public (as opposed to only being available to
> > > certain universities).
> > >
> > > At the time I was an undergraduate. Curious I checked it out, and read
> > > their privacy policy. It was pretty bad, and it was clear that they
> > > didn't respect privacy, so I never signed up. To this day I've refused
> > > to use their services.
> > >
> > > With Facebook, you are the product. Persona data misuse is not
> > > confined to the most recent scandal with Cambridge Analytica/Trump.
> > > Your data is constantly misused and sold. Privacy settings frequently
> > > change randomly and with little notice.
> > >
> > > Also, if you use Firefox I recommend Ghostery and Privacy Badger to
> > > block Facebook trackers on other websites from tracking you. And they
> > > do track you, even when you're not signed in.
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > On 2018-03-21 09:07 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
> > > > G'day all
> > > >
> > > > Is it time the managers of the various Facebook birding groups
> > > > sought alternatives?  I've never been comfortable with a Facebook
> > > > account and
> > > only
> > > > have one because of the need to be in touch via the birding groups.
> > > > With the recent scandal indicating high-level personal data misuse
> > > > and
> > > targeted
> > > > fake news I think Facebook is really on the nose.
> > > >
> > >
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