Yep, the subspecies option would work in this case.
You should never delete a record anyway, unless it obviously isn't that species. A reviewer will just hide the record from the public viewing, but it can always be reinstated if new evidence comes to light. The record will stay on your personal list no matter what. Once deleted though, it's gone for good.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:27 PM Laurie Knight <> wrote:
I would have thought the record could stand as a spp.
> On 11 Aug 2019, at 12:05 pm, Bill Stent <> wrote:
>
> Actually I don’t know what birds I’ve seen any more.
>
> Last year I was contacted by a researcher who was cleaning records found on the Cornell database.
>
> He asked about some twitch record I’d entered while out with a birding club in Norway 24 years ago back in 1995. It’d been split, I think, and he needed to know what subspecies it was. Of course I had no idea, the bird had been shown to me by the experts. I had no choice but to delete the record.
>
> That’s good for science.
>
>
>
> On 11 Aug 2019, at 9:13 am, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>
>> hi All, I'm finding these incessant alterations to avian taxonomies a real pain in the lower regions. I try to keep my records right but some of the ( proposed ) changes are quite complex and often inadequately described such that the outcome is a muddle, hence the frequent lengthy debates over who is right and who is wrong. I'm sick of it, as I'm sure many others are too. Of course your attempts are meant to help people keep accurate records in regards to their species/subspecies listings but I've got to the point of "who gives a stuff any longer". I know which birds I've seen where and for me that's all that matters.
>> Bye.
>> Tony.
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 08:24, calyptorhynchus . <> wrote:
>> Except that at the moment we’re in a splitting phase so you’re in little danger of losing ticks!
>>
>> My main beef is why have different taxonomies: HBW, IOC, EBird ? Everyone should agree to follow one taxonomy. These changes you’re talking about on EBird were made years ago in the other two.
>>
>> John Leonard
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 08:40 Bill Stent <> wrote:
>> Personally, speaking as someone whose job it is to enthuse people in a hobby (in this case my other love, astronomy), I think there are few more efficient ways of sucking the enjoyment out of birding than taxonomy.
>>
>> You know that bird you celebrated ticking off last year? Doesn’t count any more, it got lumped. Sure, the trip and the hunt and the observation were still great, but it’s one fewer enjoyable aspect of birding.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2019, at 4:14 am, Casimir Liber <> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW ebird got their history a bit wrong - parent species of boobook was novaeseelandiae not boobook and of rainbow lorikeet was haematodus not moluccanus. Still, not an issue as past anyway....
>>> Cas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:40 PM Laurie Knight <> wrote:
>>> see https://ebird.org/news/2019-ebird-taxonomy-update
>>>
>>> Southern Boobook Ninox boobook and Morepork Ninox novaeseelandiae are separated at the species level (formerly known as Southern Boobook Ninox boobook). Southern Boobook is widespread in Australia, New Guinea, Timor, and Indonesia, while Morepork is restricted to Tasmania, New Zealand, and Norfolk Island (a Lord Howe Island subspecies is extinct). We expect more splits in Southern Boobook in the future, since the subspecies groups Southern Boobook (Alor) Ninox boobook plesseni, Southern Boobook (Rote) Ninox boobook rotiensis, and Southern Boobook (Timor) Ninox boobook fuscaeach probably deserve species status. Stay tuned!
>>>
>>> • Southern Boobook Ninox boobook [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Morepork Ninox novaeseelandiae [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> The two can both occur in southern Victoria, Australia, where it seems that some Tasmanian Moreporks (sometimes separated as a species in their own right) seem to move to the mainland in winter. For this reason, we retain a slash option to promote conservative reporting.
>>>
>>> • Southern Boobook/Morepork Ninox boobook/novaeseelandiae [map] [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>> Rainbow Lorikeet Trichoglossus moluccanus is split into six species as listed below with their ranges:
>>>
>>> • Sunset Lorikeet Trichoglossus forsteni [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Bali, Lombok, Sumbawa (Lesser Sundas), and Tanahjampea and Kalaotoa Islands (Flores Sea)
>>> • Leaf Lorikeet Trichoglossus weberi [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Flores Island (Lesser Sundas)
>>> • Marigold Lorikeet Trichoglossus capistratus [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Sumba, Timor and E Lesser Sundas (Wetar and Romang)
>>> • Coconut Lorikeet Trichoglossus haematodus [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • New Guinea and adjacent islands (including some off s New Guinea administered by Queensland, Australia), Bismarck Archipelago, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu,New Caledonia, and Loyalty Islands; introduced and established in Singapore
>>> • Red-collared Lorikeet Trichoglossus rubritorquis [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • norhern Australia from w. Queensland to n. West Australia
>>> • Rainbow Lorikeet Trichoglossus moluccanus [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Widespread in eastern Australia, including Tasmania; introduced and established around Perth, Western Australia
>>>
>>> Rufous Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris is split into a widespread Rufous Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris found across much of Australia and a range-restricted Western Fieldwren Calamanthus montanellus restricted to just the southwestern corner of Western Australia.
>>>
>>> • Rufous Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Western Fieldwren Calamanthus montanellus [map] [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>> In perhaps the most surprising taxonomic revision for this update, subspecies melanorhyncha, previously classified as a subspecies of Little Shrikethrush Colluricincla megarhyncha (in the group Little Shrikethrush (Arafura) Colluricincla megarhyncha [megarhyncha Group]), in fact is a whistler (Pachycephala)So the genus was not even right! Correcting this taxonomic issue, we now recognize melanorhyncha as a species, Biak Whistler Pachycephala melanorhyncha.
>>>
>>> • Little Shrikethrush Colluricincla megarhyncha [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Biak Whistler Pachycephala melanorhyncha [map] [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>> Pacific Robin Petroica pusilla is fairly widespread in the south Pacific, but the population on Norfolk Island has always stood out as having a distinctive plumage. It is now split as Norfolk Robin Petroica multicolor and is no longer thought to be most closely related to Pacific Robin.
>>>
>>> • Norfolk Robin Petroica multicolor [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Pacific Robin Petroica pusilla [map] [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>>
>>> Lumps
>>>
>>> Two subtly different gulls, the Red-billed Gull Chroicocephalus scopulinus and Silver Gull Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae are lumped as a single species known as Silver GullChroicocephalus scopulinus. The two are retained as identifiable subspecies groups, but as is the case with many subspecies of gulls, the two are barely identifiable and only the extreme “larophiles” claim they can separate them reliably.
>>>
>>> • Silver Gull Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Silver Gull (Silver) Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae novaehollandiae/forsteri [map]
>>> • Silver Gull (Red-billed) Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae scopulinus [map]
>>>
>>>
>>> The Lord Howe White-eye Zosterops tephropleurus is now considered to be “just” a subspecies of Silvereye Zosterops lateralis, now Zosterops lateralis tephropleurus. It is not even considered distinctive enough to be retained as an identifiable subspecies group, so is addition to the loss of a Lord Howe Island endemic the main result is a tiny expansion in the range of Silvereye to include Lord Howe Island.
>>>
>>> • Silvereye Zosterops lateralis [map] [species page] [my records]
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