I would have thought the record could stand as a spp.
> On 11 Aug 2019, at 12:05 pm, Bill Stent <> wrote:
>
> Actually I don’t know what birds I’ve seen any more.
>
> Last year I was contacted by a researcher who was cleaning records found on
> the Cornell database.
>
> He asked about some twitch record I’d entered while out with a birding club
> in Norway 24 years ago back in 1995. It’d been split, I think, and he needed
> to know what subspecies it was. Of course I had no idea, the bird had been
> shown to me by the experts. I had no choice but to delete the record.
>
> That’s good for science.
>
>
>
> On 11 Aug 2019, at 9:13 am, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>
>> hi All, I'm finding these incessant alterations to avian taxonomies a real
>> pain in the lower regions. I try to keep my records right but some of the (
>> proposed ) changes are quite complex and often inadequately described such
>> that the outcome is a muddle, hence the frequent lengthy debates over who is
>> right and who is wrong. I'm sick of it, as I'm sure many others are too. Of
>> course your attempts are meant to help people keep accurate records in
>> regards to their species/subspecies listings but I've got to the point of
>> "who gives a stuff any longer". I know which birds I've seen where and for
>> me that's all that matters.
>> Bye.
>> Tony.
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 08:24, calyptorhynchus . <>
>> wrote:
>> Except that at the moment we’re in a splitting phase so you’re in little
>> danger of losing ticks!
>>
>> My main beef is why have different taxonomies: HBW, IOC, EBird ? Everyone
>> should agree to follow one taxonomy. These changes you’re talking about on
>> EBird were made years ago in the other two.
>>
>> John Leonard
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 08:40 Bill Stent <> wrote:
>> Personally, speaking as someone whose job it is to enthuse people in a hobby
>> (in this case my other love, astronomy), I think there are few more
>> efficient ways of sucking the enjoyment out of birding than taxonomy.
>>
>> You know that bird you celebrated ticking off last year? Doesn’t count any
>> more, it got lumped. Sure, the trip and the hunt and the observation were
>> still great, but it’s one fewer enjoyable aspect of birding.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2019, at 4:14 am, Casimir Liber <> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW ebird got their history a bit wrong - parent species of boobook was
>>> novaeseelandiae not boobook and of rainbow lorikeet was haematodus not
>>> moluccanus. Still, not an issue as past anyway....
>>> Cas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:40 PM Laurie Knight <>
>>> wrote:
>>> see https://ebird.org/news/2019-ebird-taxonomy-update
>>>
>>> Southern Boobook Ninox boobook and Morepork Ninox novaeseelandiae are
>>> separated at the species level (formerly known as Southern Boobook Ninox
>>> boobook). Southern Boobook is widespread in Australia, New Guinea, Timor,
>>> and Indonesia, while Morepork is restricted to Tasmania, New Zealand, and
>>> Norfolk Island (a Lord Howe Island subspecies is extinct). We expect more
>>> splits in Southern Boobook in the future, since the subspecies groups
>>> Southern Boobook (Alor) Ninox boobook plesseni, Southern Boobook (Rote)
>>> Ninox boobook rotiensis, and Southern Boobook (Timor) Ninox boobook
>>> fuscaeach probably deserve species status. Stay tuned!
>>>
>>> • Southern Boobook Ninox boobook [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> • Morepork Ninox novaeseelandiae [map] [species page] [my records]
>>> The two can both occur in southern Victoria, Australia, where it seems that
>>> some Tasmanian Moreporks (sometimes separated as a species in their own
>>> right) seem to move to the mainland in winter. For this reason, we retain a
>>> slash option to promote conservative reporting.
>>>
>>> • Southern Boobook/Morepork Ninox boobook/novaeseelandiae [map]
>>> [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>> Rainbow Lorikeet Trichoglossus moluccanus is split into six species as
>>> listed below with their ranges:
>>>
>>> • Sunset Lorikeet Trichoglossus forsteni [map] [species page] [my
>>> records]
>>> • Bali, Lombok, Sumbawa (Lesser Sundas), and Tanahjampea
>>> and Kalaotoa Islands (Flores Sea)
>>> • Leaf Lorikeet Trichoglossus weberi [map] [species page] [my
>>> records]
>>> • Flores Island (Lesser Sundas)
>>> • Marigold Lorikeet Trichoglossus capistratus [map] [species page]
>>> [my records]
>>> • Sumba, Timor and E Lesser Sundas (Wetar and Romang)
>>> • Coconut Lorikeet Trichoglossus haematodus [map] [species page]
>>> [my records]
>>> • New Guinea and adjacent islands (including some off s New
>>> Guinea administered by Queensland, Australia), Bismarck Archipelago,
>>> Solomon Islands, Vanuatu,New Caledonia, and Loyalty Islands; introduced and
>>> established in Singapore
>>> • Red-collared Lorikeet Trichoglossus rubritorquis [map] [species
>>> page] [my records]
>>> • norhern Australia from w. Queensland to n. West Australia
>>> • Rainbow Lorikeet Trichoglossus moluccanus [map] [species page]
>>> [my records]
>>> • Widespread in eastern Australia, including Tasmania;
>>> introduced and established around Perth, Western Australia
>>>
>>> Rufous Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris is split into a widespread Rufous
>>> Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris found across much of Australia and a
>>> range-restricted Western Fieldwren Calamanthus montanellus restricted to
>>> just the southwestern corner of Western Australia.
>>>
>>> • Rufous Fieldwren Calamanthus campestris [map] [species page] [my
>>> records]
>>> • Western Fieldwren Calamanthus montanellus [map] [species page]
>>> [my records]
>>>
>>> In perhaps the most surprising taxonomic revision for this update,
>>> subspecies melanorhyncha, previously classified as a subspecies of Little
>>> Shrikethrush Colluricincla megarhyncha (in the group Little Shrikethrush
>>> (Arafura) Colluricincla megarhyncha [megarhyncha Group]), in fact is a
>>> whistler (Pachycephala)So the genus was not even right! Correcting this
>>> taxonomic issue, we now recognize melanorhyncha as a species, Biak Whistler
>>> Pachycephala melanorhyncha.
>>>
>>> • Little Shrikethrush Colluricincla megarhyncha [map] [species
>>> page] [my records]
>>> • Biak Whistler Pachycephala melanorhyncha [map] [species page] [my
>>> records]
>>>
>>> Pacific Robin Petroica pusilla is fairly widespread in the south Pacific,
>>> but the population on Norfolk Island has always stood out as having a
>>> distinctive plumage. It is now split as Norfolk Robin Petroica multicolor
>>> and is no longer thought to be most closely related to Pacific Robin.
>>>
>>> • Norfolk Robin Petroica multicolor [map] [species page] [my
>>> records]
>>> • Pacific Robin Petroica pusilla [map] [species page] [my records]
>>>
>>>
>>> Lumps
>>>
>>> Two subtly different gulls, the Red-billed Gull Chroicocephalus scopulinus
>>> and Silver Gull Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae are lumped as a single
>>> species known as Silver GullChroicocephalus scopulinus. The two are
>>> retained as identifiable subspecies groups, but as is the case with many
>>> subspecies of gulls, the two are barely identifiable and only the extreme
>>> “larophiles” claim they can separate them reliably.
>>>
>>> • Silver Gull Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae [map] [species page]
>>> [my records]
>>> • Silver Gull (Silver) Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae
>>> novaehollandiae/forsteri [map]
>>> • Silver Gull (Red-billed) Chroicocephalus novaehollandiae
>>> scopulinus [map]
>>>
>>>
>>> The Lord Howe White-eye Zosterops tephropleurus is now considered to be
>>> “just” a subspecies of Silvereye Zosterops lateralis, now Zosterops
>>> lateralis tephropleurus. It is not even considered distinctive enough to be
>>> retained as an identifiable subspecies group, so is addition to the loss of
>>> a Lord Howe Island endemic the main result is a tiny expansion in the range
>>> of Silvereye to include Lord Howe Island.
>>>
>>> • Silvereye Zosterops lateralis [map] [species page] [my records]
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