I believe the birdata web site isn't directly linked to the Atlas database, so
new data doesn't show up until they refresh it. I asked in 2010 why my data
wasn't showing up, and was told they were due to do an upload soon. Unless I'm
doing something wrong, it's still not showing on the maps.
Peter Shute
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus
> On Behalf Of
> Graeme Stevens
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014 12:01 PM
> To: Steve Clark; Birding-Aus
> Cc: Andrew Silcocks
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] The Atlas and Yet another listing app!
>
> Steve,
> Sounds like it would be good to have some feedback from
> Andrew on that as well (Sorry Andrew) and perhaps current
> status of just what integration is happening (or not) from
> other data feeds - and what functionality is planned?
>
> Graeme
>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:39:08 +1100
> > From:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] The Atlas and Yet another listing app!
> >
> > Something that has been bugging me for a while is that
> Atlas records I
> > submit via birdata.com.au never show up on the maps subsequently.
> > Deters me from doing more of this.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Graeme Stevens
> > <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grahame,
> > >
> > > It is also my understanding that there are plans to
> revamp the Atlas
> > > portal and that Birdlife have been appealing for funds to
> start that work.
> > > Perhaps Andrew you could let the list know what is
> happening? Many
> > > on the list may feel inclined to support the project and even
> > > contribute to design and functionality if that opportunity exists.
> > >
> > > As a long term "Atlasser", I consider it would be a great shame
> > > indeed if the increasing volume of field work registered
> on e-bird
> > > and Eremaea did not contribute to what is now a long term
> and very
> > > rich database created over decades by dedicated "citizen
> scientists"
> > > and professional ornithologists. (the current Atlas registers
> > > 677,000 surveys covering 318,000 sites)
> > >
> > > It has the great advantage (to me) of being moderated to preserve
> > > data integrity and I have quite rightly been asked for
> more detail
> > > to justify some of my entries which involved rarities or range
> > > extensions. The fact that I am a life member cuts no ice
> at all and
> > > nor should it! But the Atlas portal as it stands has the
> > > disadvantage of little personalisation. As an Atlasser I consider
> > > that I am contributing to an extremely valuable and long term
> > > endeavour but you don't get too much back for personal
> records and
> > > data manipulation. if the richness of personal utility could be
> > > enhanced it would now be really something! (on the other
> hand, it is undoubtedly more straightforward and economical
> to follow the "KISS"
> > > principle).
> > >
> > > Double data entry has never really appealed - life's too
> short. So I
> > > shall continue with the Atlas as for me the contribution to the
> > > national biodiversity record holds more value than any personal
> > > record - but that's just me. My Atlas species list from
> surveys is I
> > > think around 590, no idea what my total Australian list is.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that convergence of aims and objectives and some
> > > integration with appropriate data integrity would be just
> fantastic
> > > if achievable! And one thing I have learned in my humble
> career is
> > > that it is often cheaper and easier to re-engineer than
> to try to build utopia from scratch.
> > >
> > > Good birding all on the list - whatever directions the
> passion takes
> > > you, banding, photography or personal listing etc (and with a
> > > fervent hope this generates light more than heat!) Graeme
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:09:16 +1000
> > > > From:
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Yet another listing app!
> > > >
> > > > When Eremaea eBird was launched, there was mention of a
> specific
> > > > BirdLife Atlas entry form to ensure all the Atlas data was
> > > > included in a list. Currently I use the Other Area
> input form, but
> > > > a lot of the information required has to be entered in the
> > > > Comments field - not a very satisfactory process. And
> there is no
> > > > certainty that the data will reach the Atlas as there
> was with the old Eremaea.
> > > > I understand there are plans for a new portal to the Atlas, but
> > > > eBird is here and now, and brilliantly easy to use. It
> would take
> > > > very little effort to add an Atlas entry form to Eremaea eBird.
> > > > If you would use such a form, please let Eremaea and BirdLife
> > > > Australia
> > > > know:
> > > > http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/emails/new?t=412380 and
> > > >
> > > > If there is enough interest we may get a form!
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Grahame Rogers
> > > >
> > > > On 17/10/2014 8:32 AM, Dave Torr wrote:
> > > > > My understanding is that Eremaea used to be able to
> send stuff
> > > > > to the
> > > BA
> > > > > atlas. Not sure if that happens with eBird?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 17 October 2014 09:29, Martin Butterfield
> > > > > <>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Given the way the message from Konkoit appeared, I
> like many
> > > > >> others assumed it was spam and thus likely to lead
> to getting a few things I
> > > > >> didn't want as well as those advertised. Since
> no-one from Konkoit
> > > has
> > > > >> seen fit to disabuse this list of that notion, I at
> least will
> > > > >> be
> > > staying
> > > > >> well away from it. (I find eBird to be very good for my
> > > > >> purposes.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A point raised in this thread has been that of data
> being held
> > > > >> in
> > > multiple
> > > > >> locations. I see that as an important issue given
> the role of
> > > > >> data in informing EISs development approvals etc.
> This isn't
> > > > >> to say there shouldn't be multiple data capture
> mechanisms but
> > > > >> the results should
> > > all
> > > > >> end 'somewhere' agreed to be the official repository.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Martin
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Martin Butterfield
> > > > >> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 17 October 2014 07:52, Peter Shute
> <> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Yes, before one rejects a new listing system perhaps one
> > > > >>> should
> > > consider
> > > > >>> whether it's better than previous ones. Has anyone
> tried this
> > > > >>> Konkoit database?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I agree with your final point about validation. As far as I
> > > > >>> know,
> > > this
> > > > >>> does distinguish eBird from many others, and it
> would be hard
> > > > >>> to
> > > beat it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My memory of Dave Torr's project, if it's the one
> I'm thnking
> > > > >>> of, was that it was primarily intended to collate
> information
> > > > >>> about birding
> > > sites -
> > > > >>> locations, maps, brochures, etc. A good idea, and I don't
> > > > >>> think it
> > > has been
> > > > >>> made fully obsolete by the likes of eBird.
> > >
> > >
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