An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth

To: greg clancy <>, Laurie Knight <>, carl clifford <>
Subject: An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:20:07 +1030
hi Greg,
it has always amazed me why birders consider a dead specimen to be un-tickable.
I have always counted such records of mine as tickable, but only if I consider 
that it wasn't carried to where it was found by an unnatural means...
the simple way that I look at it (& Greg, your Vanuatu Petrel is THE  perfect 
example for my point too!!) is if a dead beach-washed specimen is good enough 
to be recorded as a national record, then why then isn't it also good enough to 
be recorded by the finder on their national list as one of their records!!!??
I think it's pretty simple really, & I've always been puzzled when records of 
dead seabirds for eg are counted as records but observers in the main don't 
tick them...
it seems very inconsistent to me - a record is a record, surely!!
cheers ,
martin cachard,
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:32:30 +1000
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
> I have a similar dilemma as I found the only specimen of the Vanuatu Petrel 
> ever found in Australia and it constitutes the only record for Australia so 
> can I tick it?  It was found dead on the roadside north of Port Macquarie. 
> The only Blue Petrel that I have seen was dead on a beach so it is, 
> similarly, not generally considered tickable.  It doesn't really bother me 
> as I am not a lister and although I enjoy seeing new species of birds I 
> don't really know what my life total is.
> Dr Greg. P. Clancy
> Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide
> | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460
> | 02 6649 3153  | 0429 601 960
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Laurie Knight
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:57 PM
> To: Carl Clifford
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] An unfortunate way to tick a Frogmouth
> G’day Carl
> That depends on what rules you have established for your patch list.  Bear 
> in mind, that list rules, like national constitutions, can have amendments.
> Regards, Laurie.
> On 9 Jun 2014, at 7:04 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> > I have a guest for the night, a young Tawny Frogmouth which was hit by a 
> > car on the road outside the house. I have rung WIRES, and they are trying 
> > to get here tonight, otherwise, if it lasts the night, I will take it to 
> > the vet in the morning. It is the first TF I have seen on my local patch, 
> > but have a bit of a moral dilemma as to whether I can tick him.
> >
> > Carl Clifford
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