Hi all
I suggest you all start having a look at photos of juvenile and immature
Salvin's. I noticed that a photo of a juv type off South America (I'll have to
hunt down the photo) & it really didn't look that different to a juv type Shy,
except it had that contrasting bill. To me that bird has quite a dark bill, but
clearly has a contrasting culmen. I want to see definite photos of steadi or
cauta juveniles with a similar bill pattern. I have gone through my many photos
of juv Shys, some quite dark-headed & I can't find a single one!-Kev
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Thanks Kev,
Several of us, however, would not agree happily. Although I initially (at sea)
ID'd it as a Salvin's too, I now think that there are a number of features that
speak against it.
(1) The bill is in my opinion very pale - a hint for steadi?
(2) The primaries (even in full spread) seem to look good for salvini but p8
seems to have a white base as in steadi?
(3) And especially the leading edge looks more like that of a juvenile steadi
(October). In salvini (and likely also eremita) it should show the 'smudge'
caused by dark-tipped lesser and median underwing coverts
(4) In contrast, at this time of the year both cauta and steadi would show more
white on the head and cheeks due to wear.
Anyway, I think that it is likely a steadi - but at the very dark end (both for
head colour and for primaries). It's certainly an interesting bird.
For comparison, here is our submission of a juv Salvin's Albatross in June 2010
off Wollongong (yes, I am aware that between June and October much can happen
to plumage and bill coloration):
http://www.sossa-international.org/forum/content.php?519-nsw-ornithological-records-appraisal-committee-submissions
Scroll down to "Salvin's Albatross - June 2010 – Wollongong – Submission" and
klick on Submission.
Cheers,
Nikolas
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From: Kev Lobotomi <>
Date: Thursday, 5 June 2014 11:41 PM
To: Nikolas Haass <>, Rowan Mott <>,
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Subject: More interesting albatross...
OK the bird from 24th October is a Salvin's Albatross. You can actually see
what I'm talking about. The bill sides are dark grey and contrast with the
culmen which has a slight straw coloured tinge. Bill also looks narrower &
underwing has black
primaries. I'm happy with this bird.-Kev
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] More interesting albatross...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just realised that the link is not fully active and that it takes you to
> the wrong bird. The bird in question is the one at the end of the second
> page (uploaded 02-06-2014, 12:02 AM), the bird from the 24th October 2010
> off Wollongong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
>
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> On 5/06/14 10:27 PM, "Nikolas Haass" <> wrote:
>
> >Hi Rowan,
> >
> >Thanks for sharing these exciting data!
> >
> >On another note, currently there is an adult Black-browed Albatross around
> >Heligoland, Germany's only off-shore island. Prior to Germany it was seen
> >in Northern Denmark. Here are some great shots of this poor lost bird:
> >http://club300.de/ (go to 'Gallery' and then to 'Gallery Germany'). The
> >underwing pattern is interesting as it appears to be a bit retarded
> >compared to the more adult bill colour.
> >
> >On the SOSSA forum I've also posted some of Raja's photos of an
> >interesting Shy-type Albatross from the 24th October 2010 off Wollongong:
> >http://www.sossa-international.org/forum/showthread.php?49-Shy-White-cappe
> >d
> >-Salvin-s&p=395#post395
> >
> >
> >I believe that Salvin's Albatross is over-reported in Australia due to
> >mis-identification of other Shy-type Albatross. This bird has caused a bit
> >of a debate.
> >Interestingly, I have received comments about this bird reaching from Shy
> >or White-capped via Salvin's to Chatham! This shows how difficult the
> >Shy/White-capped/Salvin's/Chatham business can get! I am curious what
> >others say.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Nikolas
> >
> >
> >A/Prof Nikolas Haass | Head, Experimental Melanoma Therapy Group
> >
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> >On 5/06/14 10:25 AM, "Rowan Mott" <> wrote:
> >
> >>Two banded Black-browed Albatross were seen on the June 1st pelagic out
> >>of
> >>Portland, Victoria. These have been identified as being banded by Henri
> >>Weimerskirch's research group in the Kerguelen Archipelago some 5,700 km
> >>from the location of the sightings. Both birds were banded as adults 9
> >>and
> >>15 years ago, respectively. As these birds take several years to reach
> >>maturity they are likely to be much older.
> >>Henri also says that he has ten juvenile Black-browed Albatross from
> >>Kerguelen fitted with satellite tags which are currently off the coast of
> >>Kangaroo Island and New South Wales.
> >>
> >>All the best,
> >>
> >>Rowan
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