I'm certainly in favour of not reinventing the wheel - so I could add
annotations to the old map, and also add some secondary maps at higher
resolution as you suggest. I also like the idea of seeing if WTP are
interested in the improved version once it's complete.
But the google-map version might also be nice as you can see the terrain
clearly which I find helpful (I'll email you a first rough version so you
can see what this might be like). No reason I couldn't do both I suppose.
I.e. same annotations with a different backdrop.
On 8/01/14 1:42 PM, "Peter Shute" <> wrote:
> Yes, unless someone knows of a more suitable map that already exists, it would
> be good to have something more complete than the Melbourne Water Birdwatching
> Access Map. Incidentally, this is available online at:
> and is dated September 2012. Not sure why Brian and Meg were given one dated
> September 2010.
> But do we need to start from scratch? Do we need anything more than the above
> map with some added annotations, and perhaps some enlargements? Perhaps we
> could then persuade Melbourne Water to then incorporate our additions, and
> then future permit holders wouldn't have to track down our map on the web.
> Kirk Point is marked on the Melways. It's the point about a km south of the
> Beach Rd boat ramp. I've always been confused about what some people call "The
> Summer Ponds", which I think are the ponds either side of Austin Rd, or
> possibly only on the north side. These alternative names should be shown on
> the map.
> Peter Shute
> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of Michael
> Joseph Murray
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] WTP Map
> I had similar issues when I started going to WTP about a year ago. I know
> my way around now but still see place names on Birdline that I can't locate
> (e.g. Where is Kirk's Pt?).
> If there isn't a more detailed map available I suggest that I coordinate
> the production of an improved map using contributed knowledge from more
> experienced WTP-goers.
> I am open to suggestions about how this might be achieved but a simple way
> would be for individuals who would like to be involved, contacting me by
> email - I would send them a PDF file that I have already put together based
> on a composite of Google Maps images. They could then add placenames to this
> using whatever program they like (e.g. Preview on a Mac is good), and email
> them back to me.
> I¹ll compile everything into a new PDF map and make it available.
> The GoogleMap image background would probably need to be replaced with a
> schematic further down the track - though we could check with Google.
> What do people think of this idea?
> Best wishes,
> Mike Murray
> On 8/01/14 4:00 AM, ""
> <> wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:30:32 +1100
>> From: "Brian & Meg" <>
>> To: <>
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] WTP Map
>> Message-ID: <>
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>> Yesterday, My wife and I went to Melbourne Water, filled in the paperwork,
>> paid our money and got our key. We were also given a basic map of the WTP,
>> dated Sept 2010. Off we went for our first birding experience out there,
>> hoping to also find the reported Long-toed Stint (we had attended the Open
>> tour in early Oct. last year, so we?d seen the basic plan and the various
>> roads, etc.)
>> Our map showed us the various numbered gates so we headed for Gate 2 which
>> is towards the end of Pt Wilson Rd. The map showed ?Western Lagoon? and we
>> thought finding No. 9 (for the Stint) would be easy. Well, we found 2, 3, 4,
>> 5, but no No. 9. The map showed Pond 9 up near Lake Borrie so we headed up
>> there thinking that this would be the right place. Obviously, the water there
>> was too deep for small waders so we knew that this wasn?t it either. So we
>> left via Paradise Rd at Gate 5. There, our luck changed when we met a lovely
>> birding couple who were often out here. They didn?t know where western lagoon
>> 9 was either but they suggested going into the T-Section Lagoon ? in fact,
>> they lead us back to Gate 1 and into that area where they directed us to a
>> well known spot for Crake and Rail (which was just brilliant ? great views).
>> Here we also saw numbered Lagoons but did not find No 9.
>> My point is that regulars to the WTP obviously know the various lagoons
>> for first-timers like ourselves, it can be difficult. Nevertheless, we had a
>> great day seeing so many of the waders and ducks and we left feeling
>> and looking forward to another day out there in the weeks ahead.
>> Has anyone produced a more detailed map, either on paper or as an app for
>> the phone? Can someone please explain exactly where Western Lagoon pond 9 is?
>> Surely we are not the only ones who have experienced similar frustration.
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