Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"

To: Paul Rose <>
Subject: Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:31:20 +1100
Paul, your said you've noticed these species on lists on Eremaea. I would put 
anything I saw roaming wild on there, but I would call them "countable for 
surveys", not necessarily "tickable".

I'm not sure exactly what my definition of "roaming wild" is. I wouldn't count 
ducks and geese hanging around in a farm yard, but I'd count the same birds on 
Lake Borrie at WTP.

Peter Shute

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> On 14 Nov 2013, at 3:39 pm, "Paul Rose" <> wrote:
> Good afternoon,
> Just a quick question regarding Graylag Goose (and other seemingly feral 
> species) as a "tickable" species in Victoria.Without going into the 
> discussion regarding individual qualifications for personal life lists, 
> national lists, state lists, yard lists and so on and so forth ....  I have 
> noticed that quite a few Victorian birders have species such as Graylag Goose 
> on their Vic list posted on Eremaea (for example) from places such as Corowa 
> Sewage Ponds and The Keys Wetlands in Keysborough and, coupled with other 
> such events as almost driving into 3 Helmeted Guineafowl along Gherang Road 
> (south of Cape Otway Rd) the other morning, recording Muscovy Duck at 
> Castlemaine Botanic Gardens last month, Barbary Dove when I used to live in 
> Newport, the list goes on ....  I pose the question of where does it end in 
> terms of officially accepted species. Are there any "tickable" Peafowl, Wild 
> Turkey, Chukar, California Quail, Mandarin Duck (alright getting a bit 
> ridiculous now), but whe
> and who (in Victoria, in Australia) draws the line in terms of official 
> records, that is to say those records that will be accepted by BARC, will be 
> recorded in the Breeding Bird Atlas, accepted on a Twitchathon event, for 
> example as part of the Victorian or NSW Twitchathon Official Species List 
> (Mallard is on this list but not Graylag Goose or Muscovy)  .... so, a lesson 
> on how to turn a quick question into a debate, but rather than open up a 
> topic that would have been debated at length at various times I'm sure, is 
> there an official document which states what can be officially counted and 
> what is then left up to the individual to add to his or her day, year, life 
> list at their own discretion along with heard only species and other 
> categories that people might add (or not) to their various lists.
> Thanks for your advice.  Please reply off-line (e-mail below) as my intention 
> is certainly not to open this up for debate. 
> Regards,
> Paul                         
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