Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"

To: Paul Rose <>
Subject: Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"
From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:05:07 +1100
I don't think Graylag Goose would be tickable in Australia at all, since
all are escaped domestic breeds (as far as we know).  Northern Mallard is
tickable because some are supposedly populations introduced from true type
populations, but feral domestic mallards shouldn't be tickable.  Muskovy
duck is also untickable because they are only domestic feral escapees.  You
would have to have good evidence that a Muskovy Duck or Graylag Goose is an
actual vagrant to be able to tick it.   Peafowl, Wild Turkey and California
Quail do exist in tickable populations.  To be tickable it has to have wild
lineage, match wild plumage, and be a breeding population (or a vagrant
from a breeding population).

Of course people can tick whatever they like on their personal lists,
depending on how low their standards are.


On 14 November 2013 15:39, Paul Rose <> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
> Just a quick question regarding Graylag Goose (and other seemingly feral
> species) as a "tickable" species in Victoria.Without going into the
> discussion regarding individual qualifications for personal life lists,
> national lists, state lists, yard lists and so on and so forth ....  I have
> noticed that quite a few Victorian birders have species such as Graylag
> Goose on their Vic list posted on Eremaea (for example) from places such as
> Corowa Sewage Ponds and The Keys Wetlands in Keysborough and, coupled with
> other such events as almost driving into 3 Helmeted Guineafowl along
> Gherang Road (south of Cape Otway Rd) the other morning, recording Muscovy
> Duck at Castlemaine Botanic Gardens last month, Barbary Dove when I used to
> live in Newport, the list goes on ....  I pose the question of where does
> it end in terms of officially accepted species. Are there any "tickable"
> Peafowl, Wild Turkey, Chukar, California Quail, Mandarin Duck (alright
> getting a bit ridiculous now), but where
>   and who (in Victoria, in Australia) draws the line in terms of official
> records, that is to say those records that will be accepted by BARC, will
> be recorded in the Breeding Bird Atlas, accepted on a Twitchathon event,
> for example as part of the Victorian or NSW Twitchathon Official Species
> List (Mallard is on this list but not Graylag Goose or Muscovy)  .... so, a
> lesson on how to turn a quick question into a debate, but rather than open
> up a topic that would have been debated at length at various times I'm
> sure, is there an official document which states what can be officially
> counted and what is then left up to the individual to add to his or her
> day, year, life list at their own discretion along with heard only species
> and other categories that people might add (or not) to their various lists.
> Thanks for your advice.  Please reply off-line (e-mail below) as my
> intention is certainly not to open this up for debate.
> Regards,
> Paul
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