Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"

To: "Jeremy O'Wheel" <>
Subject: Graylag Goose - status in Victoria amongst other "tickable ferals"
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:40:25 +1100
I guess the arbiter is the BARC list, which does not include the Greylag.
Of course it is often hard - Helmeted Guineafowl is on the list but how
many of the ones you see are self-sustaining wild populations? How do you
tell? And how do you know that the Sulphur-crested Cockie you just ticked
did not actually escape from an aviary this morning?????

On 14 November 2013 16:05, Jeremy O'Wheel <> wrote:

> I don't think Graylag Goose would be tickable in Australia at all, since
> all are escaped domestic breeds (as far as we know).  Northern Mallard is
> tickable because some are supposedly populations introduced from true type
> populations, but feral domestic mallards shouldn't be tickable.  Muskovy
> duck is also untickable because they are only domestic feral escapees.  You
> would have to have good evidence that a Muskovy Duck or Graylag Goose is an
> actual vagrant to be able to tick it.   Peafowl, Wild Turkey and California
> Quail do exist in tickable populations.  To be tickable it has to have wild
> lineage, match wild plumage, and be a breeding population (or a vagrant
> from a breeding population).
> Of course people can tick whatever they like on their personal lists,
> depending on how low their standards are.
> Jeremy
> On 14 November 2013 15:39, Paul Rose <> wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> > Just a quick question regarding Graylag Goose (and other seemingly feral
> > species) as a "tickable" species in Victoria.Without going into the
> > discussion regarding individual qualifications for personal life lists,
> > national lists, state lists, yard lists and so on and so forth ....  I
> have
> > noticed that quite a few Victorian birders have species such as Graylag
> > Goose on their Vic list posted on Eremaea (for example) from places such
> as
> > Corowa Sewage Ponds and The Keys Wetlands in Keysborough and, coupled
> with
> > other such events as almost driving into 3 Helmeted Guineafowl along
> > Gherang Road (south of Cape Otway Rd) the other morning, recording
> Muscovy
> > Duck at Castlemaine Botanic Gardens last month, Barbary Dove when I used
> to
> > live in Newport, the list goes on ....  I pose the question of where does
> > it end in terms of officially accepted species. Are there any "tickable"
> > Peafowl, Wild Turkey, Chukar, California Quail, Mandarin Duck (alright
> > getting a bit ridiculous now), but where
> >   and who (in Victoria, in Australia) draws the line in terms of official
> > records, that is to say those records that will be accepted by BARC, will
> > be recorded in the Breeding Bird Atlas, accepted on a Twitchathon event,
> > for example as part of the Victorian or NSW Twitchathon Official Species
> > List (Mallard is on this list but not Graylag Goose or Muscovy)  ....
> so, a
> > lesson on how to turn a quick question into a debate, but rather than
> open
> > up a topic that would have been debated at length at various times I'm
> > sure, is there an official document which states what can be officially
> > counted and what is then left up to the individual to add to his or her
> > day, year, life list at their own discretion along with heard only
> species
> > and other categories that people might add (or not) to their various
> lists.
> > Thanks for your advice.  Please reply off-line (e-mail below) as my
> > intention is certainly not to open this up for debate.
> > 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul
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