C&B vs IOC taxonomy

To: "'Mike Carter'" <>, <>
Subject: C&B vs IOC taxonomy
From: "Paul G Dodd" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:12:16 +1000
Hmmm... Thanks Mike (I think!)

I actually didn't intend to act in an executive role, I actually assumed
(obviously somewhat naively) that someone had already identified the key
differences between C&B and IOC - presumably because I'd seen such analysis
provided between Clements 6.6 and IOC 3.1 - and would have such a list

My first attempt (the "feeble" one) was produced after not much more than an
hour's work, and was based on differences I could see between an extract I
did from Eremaea - nominally C&B but actually a modified Clements - and the
IOC 3.1 list.

I am certainly grateful to everyone that contributed to my initial request
and, hopefully, I'll be able to put together a complete list of differences
between the two checklists - as at a certain date and time - as you pointed

I must say, that given the responses to this subject, I think that this
topic is important and of interest to a lot of us amateur birdwatchers out
there. Given the support for an IOC-based list in this country, I think that
many of us need a basic tool to help us convert our C&B lists to the new
taxonomy. I appreciate that you and the other BARC representatives have a
difficult job - made more so with this taxonomy in flux - I just hope that
the people that have contributed to my request and myself can make the
transition that little bit easier for the rest of us.

And thank you for highlighting the other changes that I had missed - I will
be sure to include thm.

Paul Dodd
Docklands, Victoria

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Carter  
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 5:49 PM
To: ; 
Cc: Tony Palliser; David James
Subject: C&B vs IOC taxonomy

Splits and lumps from C & B 2008 to BARC's Australian Checklist accessed on 
the web on 28 March 2012.

Unfortunately Paul, you've caught me at a bad time as currently, I'm sick of

taxonomists and unstable Checklists so you are about to cop a bit of a 
lashing. Only 'slightly' premature!

Firstly, when attempting to compare a web based list with another you need 
to specify a date and perhaps even a time! They are that unstable.

Today dealing with a BARC case of NZ Storm-Petrel I had to change the genus 
from Oceanites to Fregetta having recently changed it from Pealeornis! And 
the other day when making a case for Edible-nest Swiftlet found numerous 
changes to swiftlet taxonomy. It makes for a lot of work; all of it tedious 
and much of it unnecessary.

It seems to me that you must be in an executive position. Although you're 
the one interested in knowing what the changes are, you seem good at getting

the rest of us to investigate it for you. I think you'll agree that your 
first attempt was a bit feeble.

In addition to the additional changes already raised by others, I think you 
also missed the following but you will need to check, and I doubt that these

complete the changes:

Snares Penguin, split again from Fiordland.

Northern Rockhopper Penguin, split from Rockhopper now Southern.

Royal Penguin split from Macaroni.

Heard Island Shag split from Imperial.

Macquarie Shag similarly.

There are now two Emerald Doves, Pacific and Common.

Morepork, the Norfolk Island Boobook.

Frilled Monarch a New Guinea species is included I'd like to think because 
the bird we saw some years ago on Boigu Island in Torres Strait has been 
accepted as it was by Dick Schodde, but I suspect is an error meant to be 
Frill-necked Monarch.

If you maintain a world list you may need to investigate which name changes 
indicate a taxonomic change. Such as Tri-coloured Grebe, formerly Little 
Grebe, 'Oriental' Dollarbird, Canary and Ashy-bellied White-eyes, Pacific 
Koel, Great Crested Tern, Parasitic Jaeger, etc. etc.  Also questions such 
as whether our domesticated Barbary Doves are really African Collared Doves 
as this, our list, (as I'm a member of BARC), would have us believe.

The BARC IOC Supplementary List, where species reside awaiting acceptance 
was in error by omitting without explanation Streak-headed Mannikin. It was 
included in C & B 2008 on the basis of some published details, but is now 
complicated by taxonomic changes, wouldn't you guess! I think that most of 
us personally count species seen that are on this list but normally dump 
them if not accepted.

Last I looked this list needed updating to include at least the following 
seven species: Stejneger's Petrel, Yellow-crowned Warbler, Chestnut-cheeked 
Starling, British Storm-Petrel, Asian Stubtail, Siberian Blue Robin and 
Eastern Crowned Warbler but as I said, these things change by the minute.

Some may be alarmed to learn that among the 854 Australian species I count 
on the IOC list, 16 are on the Supplementary List!!!!!

Mike Carter
30 Canadian Bay Road
Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
Tel  (03) 9787 7136

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