I'm very interested to hear where these rumours actually came from. Is there
any record of this allegation being made in a public media forum anywhere?
James O'Connor
Head of Research
BirdLife Australia
On 07/05/2012, at 5:53 PM, "Tom Tarrant" <> wrote:
> Very off-topic but I wonder how the dynamics of the debate over this mine
> would change if the broad community knew that the real name of the proposed
> mine is "China First".
>
> Tom
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Chris <> wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter, to be honest I know very little about aviculture so that isn't
>> what I meant. The northern subspecies doesn't have the white rump though,
>> and bird breeders often aim for mutations so I would expect that to source
>> a bunch of wild type southern subspecies birds to release wouldn't be
>> straightforwards.
>>
>> I also wonder even if the birds were released from captivity, how that
>> would be any different to Regent Honeyeaters in Chiltern? Would the finches
>> be somehow less worth of protection? I sincerely doubt the claims have any
>> truth though, just more rumour mongering to discredit justifiable
>> opposition to a nature reserve being destroyed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 07/05/2012, at 14:17, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Sanderson mentioned that they would have to be "wild-type
>> Black-throated Finches with white rumps", implying, I assume, that these
>> aren't as readily available.
>>>
>>> Peter Shute
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: brian fleming
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012 7:32 PM
>>>> To: Peter Shute;
>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Bimblebox finches
>>>>
>>>> I am sure Black-throated Finches are readily available in avicultural
>>>> circles - where people are probably still calling them 'Blackhearts'.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly when I was a kid they were often seen in bird-dealers' shops
>>>> and stalls. I have no idea what is paid for a pair these days.
>>>>
>>>> Anthea Fleming
>>>>
>>>> On 4/05/2012 7:55 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
>>>>> If there was proof that this had happened then surely we'd have heard
>>>> about it from Clive Palmer. If there's no proof then how did this story
>>>> start -someone saw something suspicious, or someone just thought up a
>>>> good story?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are Black-throated Finches commonly kept in captivity so that someone
>>>> could do this? And could a captured bird be identified as released,
>>>> either by appearance or by DNA testing? If so then there's so much
>>>> money available from interested parties to do so that surely it would
>>>> have been done by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [birding-aus-
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ian May
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 8:44 PM
>>>>>> To: Grahame Rogers
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Bimblebox finches
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heard late one night recently during a talkback session on a fading
>>>>>> mainland radio station (I think 7CC?), a caller talking about
>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>> to coal seem gas extraction. He stated "it was well known that
>>>>>> activists
>>>>>> were responsible for releasing captive bred Black-throated Finches
>>>> into
>>>>>> the wild at Brimblebox, to reinforce arguments for protection". Has
>>>>>> anyone on the list heard details and is there any truth to this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> St Helens, Tasmania
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grahame Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the email from Bimblebox Nature Refuge below. The issue of
>>>> mining
>>>>>>> in a Nature Refuge calls for a strong response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grahame Rogers| Convenor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BirdLife Southern Queensland
>>>>>>> 44 Emu Creek Road, Crows Nest, QLD 4355
>>>>>>> T07 4698 1727
>>>>>>> <> |
>>>>>>> birdlife.org.au<http://birdlife.org.au>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ABN 75 149 124 744
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello everyone
>>>>>>> The heat is on
>>>>>>> When they are scared, they lie!
>>>>>>> I have just heard the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2012/05/clive-palmer-showman-or-
>>>>>> savvy.html?site=brisbane&program=612_morning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> podcast (go to 19min and 20'') and I am outraged and amazed of how
>>>>>>> many lies Palmer can pack up in such a short time!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We were ready to dismiss it as 'Palmer's usual lies' to obtain what
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> wants, that is the Mining Lease, so by bad mouthing Bimblebox yet
>>>>>>> again (he has done it before) ppl will start to believe in the lie,
>>>>>>> thus giving him the 'social licence' to destroy it. The problem is
>>>>>>> that the perception that ppl will have of Bimblebox now could
>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paola
>>>>>>>
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