With ranges:
indica
(Linnaeus, 1758) Common Emerald Dove OR, AU widespread
indica (Linnaeus, 1758)
India to s China , Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesian and w Papuan islands
robinsoni Baker, ECS, 1928
Sri Lanka
maxima Hartert, 1931
Andaman Is.
augusta Bonaparte, 1855
Nicobar Is.
natalis Lister, 1889
Christmas I. (Indian Ocean)
minima Hartert, 1931
Numfor, Biak and Mios Num Is. ( off n New Guinea) longirostris
Gould, 1848 Pacific Emerald Dove AU Australasia
timorensis Bonaparte, 1856
e Lesser Sundas
longirostris Gould, 1848
n Australia
rogersi Mathews, 1912
e Australia, Lord Howe and Norfolk Is, New Guinea
sandwichensis Ramsay, EP, 1878
Santa Cruz and Banks Is., Vanuatu, New Caledonia stephani
Pucheran, 1853 Stephan's Emerald Dove AU Sulawesi, New Guinea
wallacei Brüggemann, 1877
Sulawesi and Sula Is.
stephani Pucheran, 1853
Kai Is., Aru and w Papuan Is., New Guinea to Bismarck and D'Entrecasteaux
Arch.
mortoni Ramsay, EP, 1882
Bougainville and Solomon Islands
On 23 November 2011 15:43, David James <> wrote:
> Hi Mick,
>
> You reminded me of something odd about the Emerald Dove split that I had
> forgotten to look into, does the Pacific Emerald Dove have the right
> species name. The splitting of Emerald Dove in 2 gives us Pacific Emerald
> Dove Chalcophaps longirostis. HANZAB lisats the east coast subspecies as
> chrysochlora, which is an older name (1827) than longirsotris (1842). Under
> the rules of nomenclature the species should take the name of the oldest
> valid subspecies, so unless there is something wrong with chrysochlora it
> should be the Pacific Emerald Dove Chalcophaps chrysochlora. Christidis &
> Boles did not split the emerald doves but they indicated that if they were
> split the one in Australia would be C. chrysochlora. However, it seems that
> chrysochlora must be invalid, rogersi Mathews 1912 is the subspecies in the
> east, and longirostris is the species name after all.
>
> This is how the IOC classify the emerald doves
>
> Chalcophaps indica Common Emerald Dove
> C.i.indica
> C.i.robinsoni
> C.i.maxima
> C.i.augusta
> C.i.natalis
> C.i.minima
>
> C.longirostris Pacific Emerald Dove
> C.l.timorensis
> C. l. longirostris
> C.l.rogersi
> C.l.sandwichensis
>
> C.stephani Stephan's Emerald Dove
> C. s. wallacei
> C.s.stephani
> C.s.mortoni
>
>
>
> David James,
> Sydney
>
> ==============================
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mick Roderick <>
> To: David James <>; martin cachard <
> >; birding-aus threads <>
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Aussie Bird List
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for clarifying that and sorry for botching the Emerald Doves up to
> people out there. I'd love to see how this taxa has been classified
> internationally.
>
>
> Mick
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David James <>
> To: martin cachard <>; birding-aus threads <
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Aussie Bird List
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> The Pacific Emerald Dove is the name for birds that occur on mainland Aus
> and the Pacific Islands. In Aus territory, Indian Emerald Dove occurs only
> on Christmas Island
> Pacific Koel is the bird on the mainland and has been recorded at Ashmore
> Reef. Asian Koel is now regular on Christmas and Cocos so keep a look out
> for it in the NW.
> Sorry, but you dip on both for now.
>
> I will send you a spreadsheet that compares three Australian checklists:
> Christidis & Boles, the IOC-based Australian list and the BirdLife
> International-based list. If anyone else wants it let me know off line.
>
> BTW, I am working on an amazing, sophisticated algorithm to automatically
> and accurately predict and tally your list without you having to tick off
> your species. Basically it starts with my list and removes the birds I
> don't care to share.
>
> David James,
> Sydney
>
> ==============================
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: martin cachard <>
> To: david james <>; birding-aus threads <
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 12:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] New Aussie Bird List
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the
> first time that I've had a really good look at it.
>
> I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums
> for me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !!
>
> I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the
> wiser on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a
> result of new developments that don't seem to be covered in these
> references...
>
> I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so
> far as which spp occurs where ...
> I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is - have I seen
> both??
> I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also - which is it that I have
> seen??
>
> The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!!
>
> Thanks in advance for your clarifications,
>
> Martin Cachard,
> Cairns,
> 0428 782 808
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:31:39 -0800
> > From:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Aussie Bird List
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > The checklist available for download on Tony Palliser's "Birders Totals"
> web page is not an 'official' checklist for Australia yet. It was
> prepared by me for the "Birders Totals" web page and for BARC. However,
> since BARC is a committee of Birds (Birdlife) Australia, BARC will not
> officially adopt this list unless BA endorses it. BARC has therefore
> recommended that BA consider it. Our recommended approach is not just a new
> list to replace Christidis & Boles but a new process to have a living
> checklist instead of a static one, consistent with the rest of the world,
> while retaining an appropriate guiding roll in the local decisions. It is
> worth taking a bit of time to ensure that we get it right.
> >
> > Meanwhile it is easy and fun to calculate your list:
> > http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
> >
> > Tell us what you think.
> >
> > David James,
> >
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