Tony
Of some aid to you may be the latest Simpson & Day which while not perfectly
up to date is somewhat helpful in that it has all the GW's on one page with
the distribution maps for spp & ssp.
Greg Little
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 10:48 AM
To: 'martin cachard'; ; 'birding-aus threads'
Subject: New Grasswren Species
I'm very confused by all this. I've been to all the locations mentioned and
seen Grasswrens, but now don't know which sp and ssp I've seen where. I just
wish someone would publish a definitive listing of which birds are in which
locations -- can do, please?
Tony
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 9:25 AM
To: ; birding-aus threads
Subject: New Grasswren Species
G'day all, It would be very interesting to get the current taxonomic musings
for our grasswrens, especially the Striated GW complex. Firstly, I must
apologise in advance for my simplistic understanding of taxonomy, but I do
hope that my questions & thoughts below are seen as very much that of a
layman... Richard B has commented that whitei & rowleyi may be next to be
split from Striated. I've often wondered how much habitat preference would
play in this. Apart from morphological differences, the Short-tailed
merrotsyi is a rock inhabiting species, quite unlike the nominate race
striatus of Striated, which is a sandplain bird. Race rowleyi of Striated is
also a sandplain inhabitant, well, at least from my observations. Yet, race
whitei inhabits rocky terrain. There must be a lot more to it than just
sandplain vs rocky terrain, but I wonder why it has been mooted that rowleyi
is the next most likely race of Striated to be split, given that it a
sandplain bird (at least from
my experience). I would have thought that whitei being a bird of rocky
terrain (as is merrotsyi Short-tailed GW), would be one to consider very
closely. It would be interesting to get others' thoughts on this..... Cheers
for now, Martin Cachard,Cairns, 0428 782 808 > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011
17:35:17 -0800
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Grasswren Species
>
> Yes, Jeff and Martin you're absolutely correct. I did have my ssp mixed
up. The new Thick-billed is the one many people see at the whiteface site
at Lyndhurst and surrounds. My visit to Mt Ive was two fold as I'd only
ever had very poor, barely tickable views of Short-tailed in the Flinders
and wanted to see them again.
>
> Although Western/Thick-billed are flat/low country birds, I have heard
that the Whyallah birds are found on the hill tops in the Conservation Park
near town. I've never been there but this is something I've often wondered
about. Perhaps someone who has been to Whyallah CP can comment on this.
>
> Next stop: whitei androwleyi.
>
> I now think albatross taxonomy is easier than grasswren taxonomy!
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jeff Davies <>
> To: 'martin cachard' <>; ;
'birding-aus threads' <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Grasswren Species
>
> I think I should have explained more clearly, the important thing to
realize
> is that the Western and Thick-billed are not actually on the ranges but on
> the flat country.
> I was just continuing on from Richards original post by saying he should
> have gone to the Flinders not the Gawlers, neither species are actually on
> the hills although they can be very close by. When I said Flinders I
> actually meant adjacent places like Lyndhurst which sits at the top of
that
> range.
> Short-tailed GW however is actually on the slopes of both ranges and
nowhere
> else.
>
> Cheers Jeff.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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cachard
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 9:52 AM
> To: ; birding-aus threads
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Grasswren Species
>
>
> Hi Steve, The bird at Whyallah is race myall of Western, same race Richard
> saw in the Gawlers. Form modestus (ie the new species split) is widespread
> in the Eyrean zone, which Jeff explains. I have seen lots of them north
from
> Lake Torrens in the Mt Lyndhurst area & right along the Oodnadatta Track,
> especially near William Creek. Cheers Martin CachardCairns
> > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:35:13 +1100
> > From:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Grasswren Species
> >
> > G'day all
> >
> > What is the species/subspecies of Grasswren in Whyallah Conservation
> > Park, SA please? I saw what I called Thick-billed there in 1999.
> > What would the current taxonomic position be for these?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Steve Clark
> > Hamilton
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