Hi Carl,
I'm not aware of any birders who went out onto Aboriginal land without
permission? Have you heard something concrete that suggests otherwise? The
original birders that went out had permits and explicit permission from the
TOs. As far as I'm aware once permit applications were rejected people made
other plans and respected the system, despite disappointment.
Perhaps the author for the article chose their words poorly (I haven't read it
yet, I'm out birding) however I think the suggestion that some adaptability on
the part of the CLC and the TOs at the time could have led to a win - win
situation for all concerned is a reasonable one. I for one would have happily
paid $100 for permission to travel the 15km up the road needed to see the birds
instead of dipping.
Regards,
Chris
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On 05/10/2010, at 10:56, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> Simon,
>
> Birders are "banned" from entering all private property, unless invited or
> otherwise, by the owners. This whole situation has stemmed from birders
> entering private property without invitation. Lets be honest, those birders
> perpetrated a crime, trespass on private lands. It is no different than if a
> bunch of strangers set up camp in ones back yard. Bigger back yard, same
> principle. I know what I would do if I found some-one camped in my back yard.
>
> I think the traditional owners have behaved in a restrained manner and
> hopefully over time a protocol can be worked out for speedier processing of
> permits for entering Aboriginal lands. Unfortunately, we, as birders, now
> have a bit of lost ground to regain in the process.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 05/10/2010, at 9:34 AM, Simon Mustoe wrote:
>
>
> If there are connotations of racism or 'blame' in this article, I guess it's
> got nothing to do with birding or birders. So putting those other matters
> aside and just looking at it's mention that the indigenous community has lost
> out - isn't this interesting to birders?
>
> Since the Princess Parrot debacle, this is the first time that anyone in the
> Australian media has questioned whether banning birders outright was actually
> the best option. That would seem to me, to be a very reasonable hypothesis.
> So on that point, I think this should be of interest to birders and at least
> someone has had the gumption to mention it.
>
> Remember, this article was written by a journalist ... not by Bird-O - so
> don't shoot the messenger ; ) ... this is me ducking!
>
> All the best,
>
> Simon.
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>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:31:15 +0930
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ashmore Reef information
>> From:
>> To: ; ;
>>
>> If the NT News really wanted a more accurate target they should be looking
>> towards the government department that helped sink my relatives' tourism
>> project on Baby Dreaming. For example, elders were told (as was I) that
>> they needed a "Certificate 4 in training" (cost - several thousand dollars
>> for each person), to teach particular skills to others.
>>
>> Also, a Scandinavian birding tour operator offered the community a donation
>> of a couple of thousand dollars to train residents to show visitors
>> sandstone birds. My relatives were very excited. But the money had to go
>> through a birding or conservation organisation. A Birds Australia spokesman
>> told me it was 'too little' to be worth their while. And then there's the
>> debacle of the latest effort to train Indigenous bird guides in Kakadu.
>> There's plenty of blame to go around, but very little of it should be
>> directed at Aboriginal people.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 5/10/10 7:15 AM, Bill Stent at wrote:
>>
>>> Simon, I'm not sure that "useful" is quite the word that I'd use to describe
>>> the NT News article.
>>>
>>> "Racist" might be closer. Possibly "patronising" if I were feeling more
>>> conciliatory.
>>>
>>> Not a good hook to get readers to Bird-o.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Simon Mustoe" <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:28 AM
>>> To: <>
>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Ashmore Reef information
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ASHMORE REEF
>>>>
>>>> Ashmore reef trips are nearly upon us so we've put together information
>>>> for you, on this remarkable place. If you visit Bird-O and go to "Birding
>>>> REGIONS" in the top menu, you'll find access to a page about Ashmore Reef
>>>> and the NW Shelf. You can see images from past trips, read about its
>>>> history and the birds that have been seen there. There's also new article
>>>> which summarises the birding highlights from the last 14 trips and
>>>> information on how you can plan your trip to Ashmore Reef next year.
>>>>
>>>> CENTRAL AUSTRALIA
>>>>
>>>> There's another regional page set up for Central Aus. This is a way to
>>>> support our growing birding tour industry so email us if you're interested
>>>> in being part.
>>>>
>>>> OUTBACK HAS UNSEEN BUCKS
>>>>
>>>> Also of interest, an article in NT News titled "Outback has Unseen
>>>> Bucks" - a useful follow-up to the recent Princess Parrot debarcle.
>>>> http://search.twitter.com/search.atom?q=%23birdonews
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>>>> Simon.
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