I agree it's interesting, but not that it's useful. I can't see much in the
article that isn't at least insensitive, although I can see that it reflects
the views many people hold (I hope no one takes that as an insult).
"ABORIGINAL traditional owners recently banned about 50 birdwatchers from
entering their land to see a rare parrot. The decision came across as petty."
It might have come across as petty to some, but I doubt the matter was treated
that way by the people that made it. If only one or two groups of birders had
made permit applications then I assume it's quite possible that they would have
got a permit. There's no way they were ever going to issue permits for the
number that did apply.
I don't think the article is useful in any other way than that it proves that
there are some people who think the decision was wrong. We already knew that.
Perhaps the situation did present an opportunity for the locals to get involved
as paid guides, but that's not something that was going to be set up at the
drop of a hat for 80 birders who suddenly wanted to go there, so that
suggestion isn't relevant to this case.
I don't really think birding-aus is the place for discussions like this, so I
welcome any moves by the moderators to close it down, but the link was posted
here and is birding related, so I'm responding.
Peter Shute
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Simon Mustoe
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 9:35 AM
> To: ; ;
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> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Ashmore Reef information
>
>
> If there are connotations of racism or 'blame' in this
> article, I guess it's got nothing to do with birding or
> birders. So putting those other matters aside and just
> looking at it's mention that the indigenous community has
> lost out - isn't this interesting to birders?
>
> Since the Princess Parrot debacle, this is the first time
> that anyone in the Australian media has questioned whether
> banning birders outright was actually the best option. That
> would seem to me, to be a very reasonable hypothesis. So on
> that point, I think this should be of interest to birders and
> at least someone has had the gumption to mention it.
>
> Remember, this article was written by a journalist ... not by
> Bird-O - so don't shoot the messenger ; ) ... this is me ducking!
>
> All the best,
>
> Simon.
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> > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:31:15 +0930
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ashmore Reef information
> > From:
> > To: ; ;
> >
> >
> > If the NT News really wanted a more accurate target they should be
> > looking towards the government department that helped sink my
> > relatives' tourism project on Baby Dreaming. For example,
> elders were
> > told (as was I) that they needed a "Certificate 4 in
> training" (cost -
> > several thousand dollars for each person), to teach
> particular skills to others.
> >
> > Also, a Scandinavian birding tour operator offered the community a
> > donation of a couple of thousand dollars to train residents to show
> > visitors sandstone birds. My relatives were very excited. But the
> > money had to go through a birding or conservation organisation. A
> > Birds Australia spokesman told me it was 'too little' to be worth
> > their while. And then there's the debacle of the latest
> effort to train Indigenous bird guides in Kakadu.
> > There's plenty of blame to go around, but very little of it
> should be
> > directed at Aboriginal people.
> > Denise
> >
> >
> > on 5/10/10 7:15 AM, Bill Stent at wrote:
> >
> > > Simon, I'm not sure that "useful" is quite the word that
> I'd use to
> > > describe the NT News article.
> > >
> > > "Racist" might be closer. Possibly "patronising" if I
> were feeling
> > > more conciliatory.
> > >
> > > Not a good hook to get readers to Bird-o.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Simon Mustoe" <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:28 AM
> > > To: <>
> > > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Ashmore Reef information
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ASHMORE REEF
> > >>
> > >> Ashmore reef trips are nearly upon us so we've put together
> > >> information for you, on this remarkable place. If you
> visit Bird-O
> > >> and go to "Birding REGIONS" in the top menu, you'll find
> access to
> > >> a page about Ashmore Reef and the NW Shelf. You can see
> images from
> > >> past trips, read about its history and the birds that have been
> > >> seen there. There's also new article which summarises
> the birding
> > >> highlights from the last 14 trips and information on how
> you can plan your trip to Ashmore Reef next year.
> > >>
> > >> CENTRAL AUSTRALIA
> > >>
> > >> There's another regional page set up for Central Aus.
> This is a way
> > >> to support our growing birding tour industry so email us
> if you're
> > >> interested in being part.
> > >>
> > >> OUTBACK HAS UNSEEN BUCKS
> > >>
> > >> Also of interest, an article in NT News titled "Outback
> has Unseen
> > >> Bucks" - a useful follow-up to the recent Princess
> Parrot debarcle.
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> > >>
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> > >> Happy birding!
> > >>
> > >> Simon.
> > >>
> > >>
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