Combining BA - BOCA About Bloody Time!

To: Paul Dodd <>
Subject: Combining BA - BOCA About Bloody Time!
From: Luke & Amber Shelley <>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:58:20 +1100
Thanks for pointing that out Paul, I wasn't aware of that. I am a member of BA, but I must admit I don't bother too much with details. Does this mean we will eventually have the opportunity to vote?

Of course, my statement was partially inflamatory, and based on the assumption that the interests of the members do not align with that of the organization(s), which is clearly wrong! Please don't take all of my posts on here literally. I think it is great that they give members an opportunity to provide guidance to a working group. If they wanted, I guess they could have just put together a proposal and gone directly to a vote.

I think both organizations do a wonderful job, especially considering the recent economic climate and competitive way that [the small amount of] funds are distributed by the Government. Despite that, they still mange to engage the community, collect valuable data, and produce high quality science.


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On 02/02/2010, at 19:47, "Paul Dodd" <> wrote:

Hi Luke,

I don't believe that either BA (RAOU) or BOCA are constituted as companies, as such they don't have shareholders. Rather their respective constitutions gives members the ultimate decision - even if this wasn't exactly what the constitutions said, they are certainly organised "for the benefit of the members" - so it really only makes sense for the members to have the final

BTW - I am definitely "FOR" the merger. I believe that the advantages
outweigh the potential issues and disadvantages. Clearly though, there are many issues to resolve - not least the fate of the various magazines and
journals. Additionally (in Victoria, at least) there are cultural
differences between the organisations - it is important that the respective
cultures are respected, and preserved, where possible.

Paul Dodd
Docklands, Victoria

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Luke Shelley
Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Combining BA - BOCA About Bloody Time!

This is an interesting situation here. Yes, both organisations have a
membership base, and they contribute financially, but they are not
'shareholders'. Therefore, I would think it ludicrous to let members have
the 'final say'.

Both organisations have a common goal in the conservation of birds and their habitats in this country, which is clearly the motivation behind this move. It would be a real shame if, for arguments sake, the merger did not go ahead because the members of one or both of the organisations did not support it,
despite it being the a very positive move for the future of bird
conservation in Australia.


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