Clements again

To: jenny spry <>
Subject: Clements again
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:50:22 +1100
Hi Jen,

You could make your own list of Australian sub-species from Clements
by using "Find" to find Australia in the "Range" column and make a
ssp. sheet in Excel by copying and pasting. It is a bit laborious
having to do it one row at a time, but perhaps an Excel maven on the
list could suggest a way to speed things up. I have started using a
new listing software (Bird Brain 6) for my sightings, which uses
Clements for its species list and it allows you to select ssp. A very handy facility.


Carl Clifford

On 21/12/2009, at 11:47 AM, jenny spry wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks for the comments Phil. The Clements and IOC updates always make
interesting reading. As a user of my own homegrown xcel spreadsheet
for my
lists I will now have to make some decisions as I update them for
2010. Up
to this year’s list I have used the IOC for my international list and C&B
for my Australian list.

Clements is always nice for a quick look-up as I have it on the
and I have kept it updated with print-outs and notes. I am not sure I can
keep doing the changes though as they become more and more complicated.
Where I find Clements really useful though is, it lists all the sub-

This all brings up a few questions for me. First, apart from some of the
field guides, is there a list of up to date subspecies published
either in
hard copy or electronically for Australia? Second, allowing for
times etc the information in the latest C & B is now well over 2 years old -
for some species maybe 3+. Are there any published up dates for the
Australian list, hard copy or electronic? Third, does anyone know if
is an up date list for C & B, or one being planned? And fourth, if
there are
no updates planned for C & B at what point should we begin to consider
adopting one of the “international” lists as the “official” Australian

Happy holiday time everyone and I hope you all get in some great birding
over the next few weeks. And thank you all for some really helpful and
stimulating reading over the last 12 months.



On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Phil & Sue Gregory <
> wrote:

oops, sorry, I merged whipbirds with jewel-babblers in one family in my
previous note, here is the correct version, and a note about

The remaining species, the former members of Eupetidae, now
constitute two
new families, the whipbirds and wedgebills (Psophodidae) for the
Androphobusand Psophodes; and the quail-thrushes and jewel-babblers
(Cinclosomatidae) for the genera Cinclosoma and Ptilorrhoa. Position the
Psophodidae and Cinclosomatidae immediately following the Wattlebirds
(Callaeidae) and the Stitchbird (Notiomystidae).

Page 517, Bristlebirds (Dasyornis)
The three species of bristlebirds earlier were classified as members of
Acanthizidae (Thornbills and allies). They now have been
demonstrated to be
a separate family, the Dasyornithidae. Place the Dasyornithidae
between the
Honeyeaters (Meliphagidae) and the Pardalotes (Pardalotidae).

Phil Gregory

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