Clements again

To: "'jenny spry'" <>, "'Birding Aus'" <>
Subject: Clements again
From: "Greg Little" <>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:01:55 +1100

I made a request over BA for info re Aus subspecies lists last year and
got no reply.

Greg Little

Greg Little - Principal Consultant
General Flora and Fauna
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-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of jenny spry
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2009 11:47 AM
To: Birding Aus
Subject: Clements again

Hi all,

Thanks for the comments Phil. The Clements and IOC updates always make
interesting reading. As a user of my own homegrown xcel spreadsheet for
lists I will now have to make some decisions as I update them for 2010.
to this year?s list I have used the IOC for my international list and
for my Australian list.

Clements is always nice for a quick look-up as I have it on the
and I have kept it updated with print-outs and notes. I am not sure I
keep doing the changes though as they become more and more complicated.
Where I find Clements really useful though is, it lists all the

This all brings up a few questions for me. First, apart from some of the
field guides, is there a list of up to date subspecies published either
hard copy or electronically for Australia? Second, allowing for
times etc the information in the latest C & B is now well over 2 years
old -
for some species maybe 3+. Are there any published up dates for the
Australian list, hard copy or electronic? Third, does anyone know if
is an up date list for C & B, or one being planned? And fourth, if there
no updates planned for C & B at what point should we begin to consider
adopting one of the ?international? lists as the ?official? Australian

Happy holiday time everyone and I hope you all get in some great birding
over the next few weeks. And thank you all for some really helpful and
stimulating reading over the last 12 months.



On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Phil & Sue Gregory <
> wrote:

> oops, sorry,  I merged whipbirds with jewel-babblers  in one family in
> previous note, here is the correct version, and a note about
> The remaining species, the former members of Eupetidae, now constitute
> new families, the whipbirds and wedgebills (Psophodidae) for the
> Androphobusand Psophodes; and the quail-thrushes and jewel-babblers
> (Cinclosomatidae) for the genera Cinclosoma and Ptilorrhoa. Position
> Psophodidae and Cinclosomatidae immediately following the Wattlebirds
> (Callaeidae) and the Stitchbird (Notiomystidae).
> Page 517, Bristlebirds (Dasyornis)
> The three species of bristlebirds earlier were classified as members
> Acanthizidae (Thornbills and allies). They now have been demonstrated
to be
> a separate family, the Dasyornithidae. Place the Dasyornithidae
between the
> Honeyeaters (Meliphagidae) and the Pardalotes (Pardalotidae).
> Phil Gregory
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