Old bird names - Blue-jay (One arm point thread )

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Subject: Old bird names - Blue-jay (One arm point thread )
From: "Mark and Mandy Young" <>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:49:10 +1100
Ever since reading Burnum Burnum's Wild Things around Sydney, I've called
Pacific Black Ducks by the Aboriginal name Umbara. It musn't have been a
good seller cause everyone looks at me sideways when I do it.

Now how many of you blokes over 50 still call a Cormorant a Shag? ;)

Mark and Mandy

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of brian fleming
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 6:03 PM
To: Gary Wright; 
Subject: Old bird names - Blue-jay (One arm point thread )

When I was a kid 'Blue Jay' could be a Black-faced Cuckoo Shrike
- also called 'Summer Bird'.
I didn't know Choughs then - I think they were classed as 'Black Magpie' 
along with Currawongs.

In Broken Hill I had to describe Apostle-birds to a local. She said "OH, 
you mean Lousy Jacks!"

And there are respected ornithologists who don't even know the Grey 
Fantail's REAL name - 'Cranky Fan'!

Anthea Fleming

Gary Wright wrote:
> Hi Greg
> Like Alastair I personally like all of the old names, like Blue Jay(white
> winged chough), but I accept  having standard English names so we don't
> to use  scientific names is a good thing.  I like the name Satin Stork as
> think it is beautiful and descriptive of the bird.
> Gary
> 2009/11/19 Greg & Val Clancy <>
>> Hi Gary,
>> I read you post with interest and noted that you hate using the name
>> 'Black-necked Stork'.  The neck is actually black, with a blue-green
>> and although probably not the most appropriate name for the species it
>> been in use in Asia and Australia since at least the late 1880's.  The
>> books that I used when starting out birding many years back all called it
>> "Jabiru' and that is what I knew it as for many years.  Having recently
>> completed my PhD studies on the species I am now a strong advocate for
>> calling it "Jabiru'.  The reasons for this are: it is not a Jabiru - a
>> Jabiru is a South American stork species which has only a few
>> to our elegant bird; 'Jabiru' is a Tupi-Guarani name for the species
>> means 'swollen neck', referring to its habit of inflating its bald neck
>> pouch, very different to our slender necked species; the south American
>> has precedence over the name which is also its generic name.
>> When I hear or read the name 'Back-necked Stork' I visualise the
>> elegant bird that it is I don't lament the loss of a totally
>> name for Australia's only stork species.  However if 'Black-necked Stork'
>> too much to bear you will be happy to know that when the New Guinea and
>> Australian populations of this species are separated out from the Asian
>> populations, which is likely in the future, the name 'Satin Stork' will,
>> hopefully, be applied to our birds.  This name received support from the
>> Birds Australia Common Names Committee but it will only be with
>> acceptance that it will become 'set in stone.'  So far I have received a
>> large amount of support for the name.  I hope you will also support it.
>> Greg Clancy
>> Ecologist
>> Coutts Crossing
>> NSW

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