Attracting birds with calls

To: "'L&L Knight'" <>, "'birding-aus'" <>
Subject: Attracting birds with calls
From: "Tony Russell" <>
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:51:52 +1030
Or collecting train and bus numbers ??

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of L&L Knight
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'birding-aus'
Subject: Attracting birds with calls

I don't believe that the pelagic chummers are disturbing widely ranging 
sea birds nearly a tenth as much as people who incessantly play 
territorial and breeding calls to draw out terrestrial birds.  The 
latter have definite territories that are definitely encroached on, and 
there have been reports of the impacts of excessive "taping" on the 
behaviour of such birds, including particularly sensitive species like 
bristlebirds and scrubbirds in various forums, including this one.  As 
such, I think the impacts of taping are not limited to exposing birds 
to possible predation [the subject of Bob's post] but also include 
longer lasting behavioural impacts.

I for one, do not think it would be acceptable to interfere with the 
breeding activity of an Eastern Bristlebird [a species that I have yet 
to see] simply so that I can enter a tick on my spreadsheet.  In some 
respects, ticking birds that have been lured in through the use of 
breeding calls is a bit like ticking birds in aviaries ;)

Regards, Laurie.

On Saturday, January 13, 2007, at 12:46  PM, Nevil Lazarus wrote:

> I find it rather strange that the "moral" twitchers who frown on
> calling
> birds from tapes or ipods  seem to lose those morals as soon as they
> step aboard a pelagic birding boat.
> I the art of chumming to attract birds really any different to getting
> bush birds into better view by calling them out?
> Regards,
> Nevil Lazarus
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  
>  On Behalf Of Robert Inglis
> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2007 1:39 PM
> To: birding-aus
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Attracting birds with calls
> A recent thread has been discussing using electronic devices to play 
> bird calls. I have interpreted some comments to say that some birders 
> are simply referring to the recorded calls
> as an in-the-field aid to identification.
> Other comments seem to say that some birders are attempting (and
> sometimes succeeding) to attract
> birds by playing the recordings out loud.
> I am not going to try to dump my extremely high standards of morals 
> and sense of right and wrong on anyone but I simply wish to ask the 
> question: "Is there any real difference between using a recorded bird 
> call or physically trying to imitate
> that bird's call or 'pishing' to try to cause a bird to present itself
> for a clear view by the
> observer?"
> It seems to me that in each case the aim is to bring the bird out into

> the open. Regardless of how this is done, doesn't it still agitate the

> bird and possibly expose it to predation?
> Cheers
> Bob Inglis
> Sandstone Point
> Qld


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