I agree with you there. TS sell a product, saying that it is amazing for
graphical application. You receive it, and stock from the shop it boot into X11
with IceWM and simply pressing the "start" button takes about 5 second to load.
This is unacceptable, especially since when you seek a bit further you see that
the CPU is capable of much better, and that the OS shipped don't use it.
So, being a software developer you think (and not a linux guru), hey, I'll
install this EABI os, can't be that hard. Then you fall into a world of
cross-compilers, patches, error messages, mismatching versions. After having
tried 4-5 different paths unsuccessful, I emailed TS and asked them for help,
if they could provide a working developers environment. A few weeks later,
still no answer. Being in a "free software" world industry usually mean no
support for software, but this is a product they are making money with.
So I continue, and find out to use GTK+/X11 as announced on the TS website, you
would have to cross-compile a whole debian distribution, with a custom patched
gcc crosstool, including Xorg which, after searching a bit, you find out
probably nobody ever did it since a few years.
So yeah, we are looking for another board. There are a lot of boards out there
with much better stats at the same price. Unfortunately, we need extended
temperature, a solid touchscreen, multiple serial ports, IO ports, etc and only
the TS boards seems to have it all.
--- In Scott Zimmerman <> wrote:
>
> Okay Technologics,
>
> <FLAME ON>
> WTF? I bought this beautiful TS-7390 device because I wanted to write a
> small user interface for a serial device. It runs linux so everything is
> easy write? I mean it's not like it's running that dreaded Microsoft
> operating system. So I use the OS that comes with it and I have X11. Old
> school for sure, but hey, maybe it will be fine for my super simple UI. So
> I write some stuff in X11 and every update flickers like crazy. Guess I
> need some double buffering. Oh sorry, we don't have that.
>
> Oh and I try to use your super cool IDE solution for Eclipse, but guess
> what? It only runs on WINDOWS????!!! If you like Windows so much, why
> don't you run it on your board? Here's some news: Eclipse runs on Linux -
> your OS of choice. Lots of people (like me) run it there. Did you ever
> consider making your stuff work on Linux?
>
> Okay, so then I poke around and find your (old) version of Qt. I install
> that and get helloworld to run, but you don't even have the source for it
> anywhere and no documentation on how you built it.
>
> So I hit the list to learn from people doing real projects. I learn tons
> about cross compilers and getting the new version of Qt to run. So I spend
> THREE FRIGGIN' WEEKS trying to get things configured correctly. I'm not a
> Linux expert, but c'mon. All I want is the latest version of Qt running
> somewhere so I can do my UI development. Why isn't that posted on the TS
> site? So here I am. No code written in three weeks and I seem to be no
> closer to solving the problem.
>
> So this is the last day. I'm tempted to try to mail everything back to TS.
> It's junk to me. This whole experience is making me want to go back to
> Windows where I can at least boot something and have access to modern
> development tools, a serial port, and a graphics library without having to
> debug thousands of lines of code that I didn't write.
>
> Everyone on this list seems to be having problems and very few people seem
> to know the answer. I will be driving everyone I can away from the TS
> solution. With no tools, documentation, or libraries for this thing, I
> can't believe anyone is getting anything done.
>
> <FLAME OFF>
>
> ...Zz
>
> PS
> Thanks to everyone on this list. I'm sure the problem is that I'm just an
> idiot and don't know how to run linux, but I was really hoping this could
> work. My project is almost identical to what Donal is doing and I really
> thought this was the perfect solution. But I can't continue playing with
> config files and getting nowhere.
>
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