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From: "pickanameanditstakensoihavethis" <>
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 05:01:24 -0000
actualy i am the only hardware designer that has contributed to it
atm  

the last suggestion of a dual licence seems the best option and fits
in with the goals for education and encurageing open development 
while allowing for totaly embedded modified solutions for the design
also 

it will remain gpl and the dual licence system will be looked into 
and some licencing agreement drawn up for those who wish to do non
gpl modifications 
 
going to take a day or two to contemplate the best way to go 
and to find suitable terms for a commertial licence for it
 
dave 
 
--- In  "Don W. Carr" <> wrote:
>
> Sun has also GPLed  Sparc design and multi-threading tech as well:
> 
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6194768111.html
> 
> Yes, GPL is much more common for software, but people are using it
for
> hardware designs.
> 
> And, you GPL the design, anybody can make hardware from the
design.
> 
> Also, for the software running on the GPL hardware, there would be
no
> problems with running proprietary code, but you would not be able
to make
> proprietary changes to the hardware design. All derived works of
the
> hardware design would also have to be GPLed.
> 
> Not sure what compiling a hardware design would consist of in a
legal sense
> though. Is that when you turn the design into actual hardware???
> 
> On 5/5/06, pickanameanditstakensoihavethis <>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In  "Mark Carlson" <carlsonmark@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/5/06, pickanameanditstakensoihavethis <donotsendmail@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > well the licencing has been set to gnu gpl in order to cover
> > the
> > > > software , ip cores and hardware , but the hardware may have
to
> > > > change to a more bsd like licence as it looks like a gpl
will
> > > > prevent  manufactuers form making a profit from
manufactureing
> > it,
> > > > and as without profit it would not be worth making, that
will
> > need
> > > > to be checked and changed to allow it, if it is the case
> > >
> > > Quick question:
> > > I'm no licensing expert, but since you've already released the
> > > hardware as GPL, don't you have to keep it that way now?
> > (Derivative
> > > works and such)  Or am I incorrect?  Is there a way to release
it
> > > under the BSD license now?
> > >
> > actualy it is more to do with the fact that the gpl licence is
not
> > relavent to hardware it will prpbably remain gpl but a modified
> > version of gpl for hardware ,, i was aware that there was an
attempt
> > to create a gpl licence for hardware a couple of years ago , but
> > still searching for it atm ,think nothing came of it because no
one
> > could agree on it
> >
> > the gpl licence had been used as it covers the software and ip
used
> > so was carried on to the hardware, but interestingly the gpl
> > licencing only covers the documentation in printed or other form
and
> > media that it might be stored on,  but fails to cover any
hardware
> > made from it , only the schematics and artwork in printed form ,
and
> > not the physical pcbs once made , from what i can tell atm
> >
> > ie a built up unit is not what the licence has covered it only
> > covered the instructions on how to do it,
> >
> > even if not  the assembled pcb could be considered media and
costs
> > of producing that is allowed
> >
> > as the copywrite holder for the design the hardware has almost
a, do
> > as you will make as you want  build into whatever you like
> > licencing with it but give us credit along with the usual
disclamers
> > to everything  , but the gpl is what the default ip cores will
be
> > using ,
> >
> > the big point that i think has been causing most concern is the
fact
> > that if the whole system is gpl  it may prevent use as an
embedded
> > product with a non gnu ip and software ie say a set top ip tv
box
> > the licence needs to ensure that that use is posible without
> > affecting there ip if thay wish to keep that closed source
> > that is not intended and not what we will want , and afaik not
what
> > the GPL licence will require of them
> >
> > although whatever licence gets used it will only allow less
> > restrictions than the gpl on the hardware side that is appearing
to
> > be less and less sutable to cover it
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> >
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