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Date: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:22 pm ((PDT))
Tom:
A cello is a fairly loud instrument, especially when it is little over a fo=
ot away from a mic.Therefore, you probably can't hear the self-noise of tha=
t mic in that studio clip, but I'm fairly sure that it would be fairly obje=
ctionable in a quiet nature setting.
The data sheet for the TSB-165A alludes to a noise floor of 28 dBA, which i=
s 12 dB higher than the minimum that most nature recordists will tolerate.
Note that you will also need a portable recorder that supplies phantom powe=
r and that has realtime MS decoding built-in so that you can monitor the ac=
tual soundstage while you are recording. The Tascam DR70-D has those capabi=
lities, has quiet mic preamps and can be obtained for under $250.00.
I haven't tried them but Primo makes some cardiod capsules that have a much=
better noise floor than the TSB-165s, but you would need to adapt the 'ali=
ce' phantom-powered circuit to work with the EM182 capsule.http://www.primo=
mic.com/php/get_products_details.php?model=3DEM182
M/S mics sound too 'confined' to my ears since there is no inter-aural dela=
y encoded during the recording process to define the sounds in space, only =
intensity differences.This is fine in close-miked studio conditions, but is=
not optimal IMHO in the diffuse-field environment of the outdoors.The thre=
e mic elements of the 'Alice' mic must therefore be quite closely matched i=
n frequency response and level in order to preserve good imaging in the rec=
ording.
Personally, I like boundary-array mics that use omni capsules.They give a m=
uch nicer sound stage that sounds full with great detail with respect to so=
und sources within a wide space.
You can search the boundary mic newsgroup to get more information:
http://diystereoboundarymics.blogspot.com/If you use the Primo EM172 capsul=
es, there is no need for phantom power, they will work using only the built=
-in PIP (plug-in power) from recorders such as the Sony PCM M10. The DR70-D=
supplies PIP as well.
The only other recording method I would use is ORTF, employing very low-noi=
se studio cardiod mics (<11 dBA self-noise).The ORTF mic capsule spacing ca=
ptures the inter-aural time differences of the sound sources similar to how=
the ears do.
John Grzinich has done some lovely recordings using cardiod mics in an ORTF=
configuration:https://soundcloud.com/maaheli/padoj-rv-5-45am-dawn-chorus
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Padoj=E4rv 5:45am dawn chorus, April 22nd by maaheli
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john grzinich - sound + site + situational research
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Another mic resource:http://www.wildmountainechoes.com/equipment/microphone=
s-nature-recording-ii-different-microphones-different-situations/
So, I hope that this helps answer some of your questions.
BR,Greg
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Subject: [Nature Recordists] Alice Microphone for Field Recording?
=A0 I tried doing some searches, but I haven't found anything really conc=
lusive to answer this question: Has anyone tried using an Alice microphone =
for field recording?
The reason I'm asking is that=A0Jules Ryckebusch posted a link to an Instru=
ctables he wrote that details his build of an Alice-based MS microphone:
Build the MS Alice Stereo Microphone
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Jules stuck three=A0TSB-165 capsules in the mic body. One faces forward (pr=
oviding mid), and the other two facing sideways and wired in series to crea=
te a figure-eight mic (providing side). Each mic has its own Alice board, a=
lso installed in the mic body. The signals are fed out through a 5-pin XLR.
This would make for a very compact, very light MS setup for field recording=
. For travel or for locations that require long hikes to reach, there's a l=
ot of appeal here.
But it would help to know if anyone else had tried using an Alice microphon=
e for field recording, and what the potential pitfalls are.
Thanks,
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