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Re: Trouble wiring PIP shure mics

Subject: Re: Trouble wiring PIP shure mics
From: "Charles" cmbradford77
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:58 pm ((PDT))
Mr. Danielson,

I have two Shure WL-183 mice and the mating TA4M connectors to connect to t=
hem.
I have a Sony PCM-D50 recorder which provides about 2.8 VDC to either the t=
ip or ring (relative to shield) of a 3.5mm stereo plug.

Based on what I read just below, pins 1,3 and 4 need to be connected to the=
 shield
and pin 2 should be connected to either tip or ring.

Should this work with my recorder?

Thanks for your expertise and advice.

Charles Bradford




--- In  Rob Danielson <> wrote:
>
> Hi David-
> I'm still not sure how you've got it wired currently. The wiring for
> all of the capsules is the same.  If I wanted to keep the TA4F's in
> tact and use matching TA4M's, this is how I'd wire it:
>
> http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/shure183p-i-pAdaptercable.jpg
>
> The direct wiring to miniplug s still here:
> http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/ShureWR-183WiringNoTA4M's.jpg
>
> Rob D.
>
>   =3D =3D =3D =3D
>
> At 4:43 PM +0800 8/25/05, D & m wrote:
> >Rob
> >sorry for the crude diagram. The wiring for the mics
> >
> >WL 93   G   0    B
> >                     R
> >
> >
> >WL 83 & 183   G  B  0
> >                               R
> >were G=3D ground
> >           B=3D black
> >           R=3D red
> >           0 =3D spare pin
> >
> >Remember I have solder connecting pins 2,3&4 on the TA4 -F so I could
> >use all mics.
> >Referring to another question I am using only minidisk
> >David
> >
> >Rob Danielson wrote:
> >
> >>  Makes sense to confirm that everything works before cutting the
> >>  cables.  If I understand correctly, its normal for the voltage to
> >>  drop because the capsules add load. I can't picture the current
> >>  wiring you're trying with the TA4M/F's. Could you make a wiring
> >>  diagram for us?  Rob D.
> >>
> >>  =3D =3D =3D
> >>
> >>  At 5:58 PM +0800 8/24/05, D & m wrote:
> >>  >Hi Thanks for those replied
> >>  >I have testing mainly with the WL 93's and there is a noticeable dro=
p in
> >>  >voltage but I just tried it with  the WL 83 or 183s and this drop
> >>  >voltage didn't happen.( Why would that be happening).  Even so still=
 no
> >>  >sound coming through any of the  mics tried. I have thought about
> >>  >clipping the 4 pin connector off but I haven't been game to bit the
> >>  >bullet yet. If it is not working with the connector, wouldn't it als=
o be
> >>  >the case if wiring straight to  a mini jack. The female adapters are=
 not
> >>  >switch graft that Rob mentioned in his instructions but that would m=
ake
> >>  >any difference.
> >>  >
> >>  >It must work others have done it. I'm buffled why its not working fo=
r me.
> >>  >David
> >>  >
> >>  >Rob Danielson wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  >>  Thanks for the tip. I recorded something suspicous, short legged,
> >>  >>  quick even steps and hoofy already. May be the wire chewin culpri=
t?
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  I noticed that Shure just raised the prices on the C122 and WL183=
's,
> >>  >>  the later almost double. Too bad. Might be some dealers ou there
> >>  >>  selling them at the old price? Rob D.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>    =3D =3D =3D =3D
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  At 3:51 PM +0000 8/23/05, Rich Peet wrote:
> >>  >>  >I have confirmed by building Robs diagram for the WL183 and it w=
orks
> >>  >>  fine.
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >If you want or need to use it with a battery box that is not har=
d
> >>  >>  >either.  It does add the weight and cost of the box, battery
> >>  >>  >connector, two line capacitors, one resister on the battery and =
a
> >>  >>  >capacitor on the battery as well. If you want a range of values =
for
> >>  >>  >building one I can draw something and e-mail you off list.
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >Rich
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >PS for Rob. Someone unknown idiot released Wild Pig into Crawfor=
d
> >>  >>  >County, WI. There is now a self sustaining population of about
> >>  150 and
> >>  >>  >they likely are on their way to Lafarge in the next few years if=
 not
> >>  >>  >controlled by then. If you want to record them you should try be=
fore
> >>  >>  >the DNR and others manage to kill them.
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >--- In  Rob Danielson
> >>  <> wrote:
> >>  >>  >>  Hi David--
> >>  >>  >>  Is there a chance you'll use the WL's just on a minidisc or
> >>  other PIP
> >>  >>  >>  recorder? If so, the way I prefer to wire them is to cut off
> >>  the four
> >>  >>  >>  pin connectors on the end the c-122 cables and solder both ca=
bles
> >>  >>  >>  into one stereo 3.5mm miniplug. Cuts down on bulk.chance of e=
xtra
> >>  >>  >>  interference and costs less. Here are the instructions for th=
is:
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  ><
> >>  >>
> >>  http://www.uwm.edu/~type/Mic%20Preamps/ShureWR-183WiringNoTA4M's.jpg
> >>  <http://www.uwm.edu/%7Etype/Mic%20Preamps/ShureWR-183WiringNoTA4M%27s=
.jpg>
> >>  >>
> >>  <http://www.uwm.edu/%7Etype/Mic%20Preamps/ShureWR-183WiringNoTA4M%27s=
.jpg>
> >  > >>  >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >>  Should work fine on your MZ N1 HiMD recorder. Let me know. Ro=
b D.
> >>  >  > >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  "Microphones are not ears,
> >>  Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >>  A listening room is not nature."
> >>  Klas Strandberg
> >>
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