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Subject: Re: Is my equipment outdated?
From: "John Crockett" naturalcontemplative
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:05 pm ((PST))
Hi Ryan,

Preamp noise and microphone noise is a somewhat complicated subject  
that has been discussed extensively here. In theory, you want at  
least 7 dB difference between the microphone output noise and the  
preamp equivalent input noise, which means the preamp should be -121  
dBu or less for use with the NT4 (output noise = -114 dBu). I have  
never used the DR100-mkII. What you will find from the link that  
Robin and Marco gave you is that the DR100-MkII is on the margin of  
acceptability for the Rode NT4. In theory, its preamp noise (-119  
dBu) is going to add noise to the NT4, while the minidisc (-124 dBu  
if you are using one of the sonys) does not. But, again in theory,  
you may not hear any difference between the minidisc and the Tascam,  
because it works out to only a 0.8 dB difference in noise between  
those two recorders, which may or may not be audible to you. And this  
is all theoretical. Your results may vary in practice. But I have  
found Raimund's list to correspond very closely to my experience.

On Raimund's list, the least-cost recorder with XLR inputs and  
preamps that are quiet enough for the NT4 is the Olympus LS-100  
($400). Oddly, the 3.5 mm input on the LS-100 is much noisier than  
the XLR input, and much noisier than the 3.5mm inputs on the  
LS-5/10/11 series recorders. If you were to get the LS-100, it would  
only make sense to use the NT4 via XLR cables. If cost is a factor,  
and you really need to use XLR cables (maybe because you anticipate  
long cable runs), and you don't mind slightly noisier preamps, the  
Tascam may serve you well. Maybe someone here has used the DR-100MkII  
with the NT4 and can report their experience.

There is another variable to consider, which is that the 3.5mm cable  
that came with SOME Rode NT4s has a -12 dB pad in it that needs to be  
removed to get the best results with it, or else you need to use the  
XLR cables, either into a recorder with XLR inputs or with a stereo Y  
adapter to change the XLR to 3.5mm. I can tell you from experience,  
this makes a real difference. Before I removed the pad resistors, I  
was getting 5-6 dB more noise from the NT4 than I do now. I thought  
it was a very mediocre microphone! I removed the pad from my 3.5mm  
cable, and the result is now indistinguishable from using the XLR  
cables. Basically, the pad lowers both the signal and the noise, so  
the noise voltage drops well below the preamp noise of nearly any  
recorder, and you start hearing the recorder noise on top of the  
microphone noise.

Here's a a link to the -12 dB pad issue and how to fix it:

https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/www/audio-reports/ 
Rode_NT-4_Cable_Mod/NT-4_CableMod-index.htm

Or just get an XLR->3.5mm stereo Y adapter and use the XLR cables.

Hope this helps!

John


John Crockett


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On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:14 AM,  wrote:

> 1b. Re: Is my equipment outdated?
>     Posted by: "tankramjet"  tankramjet
>     Date: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:17 pm ((PST))
>
> Hi John,
>
> This is the first I have heard of pre-amp noise.  How did you find  
> out about the level of pre-amp noise of a minidisc recorder  
> compared to for example the olympus ls-11?
>
> I was pretty convinced that going with a recorder with xlr inputs  
> was the way to go and was prepared to get the Tascam DR-100 mkII,  
> however I have no idea what the pre-amp noise is of this machine.   
> Is there a website or a place to find out about the pre-amp noise  
> of various recording devices?
>
> Thanks
> Ryan







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